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Home Front: WoT
Soldier's coffin at center of furor
2006-11-30
A woman says she saw a soldier's flag-draped coffin put into a cart with passengers' baggage last month at the Greater Rochester International Airport, shocking her and other onlookers.
I doubt it greatly.
"It looked awful, just awful," Cynthia Hoag, 56, of Dansville, Livingston County, said Wednesday. "Maybe we made too much out of it,
... and probably did...
"but it was very disturbing to us. If that had been my son, I would have been very upset."
There are only so many ways to take a coffin off an airplane...
Officials dispute Hoag's story, saying it is implausible. They did not disclose the name of the fallen soldier, but he appears to be Army Sgt. 1st Class Tony Knier of Sabinsville, Pa., who was killed in Iraq on Oct. 21. A Pennsylvania funeral director confirmed on Wednesday night that he transported Knier's body from the Rochester airport on Oct. 27, the day Hoag was there. Monroe County officials said the coffin was being taken to Pennsylvania.
Normally the hearse picks up the coffin planeside. The funeral director could probably confirm if that didn't happen and why...
Knier's mother was appalled when she was told Wednesday night that the incident might have involved the body of her 31-year-old son, a husband and father of three young children. Knier's funeral was Oct. 31 near his home in Wellsboro, Pa. "If that's what that lady saw, I'm outraged. I'm really upset, because my son died for this country. " said Betty Tidwell, who lives in Tennessee. "He gave all he had to this country. And for them to do that to him, that just upsets the hell out of me."
But I'm not seeing a lot of plausibility to the story...
Hoag wrote an op-ed essay that was published Tuesday in the Democrat and Chronicle, describing what she says she saw. Based on Hoag's account, Monroe County Executive Maggie Brooks called on the federal government Wednesday to change procedures to prevent a similar incident, saying what happened is an "outrage."
Sounds like Our Ms. Brooks is making the assumption the military's hosed it. I suppose it's a possibility, but it's not the result of military policy.
Hoag explained that as she waited at the airport with friends, she saw a soldier in uniform standing at attention near a commercial airplane as the luggage came off. She then saw a coffin draped with an American flag come down a luggage conveyor on the runway.
The "luggage conveyor on the runway" is not the same thing as the luggage carousel. So the coffin, complete with flag, didn't pop out between Grandmaw's suitcase and Uncle Bob's golf clubs.
The coffin was put into a baggage cart with other luggage and driven off with the uniformed soldier in the cart. "I saw the casket of a fallen soldier, saluted by a lone soldier, and then placed in a baggage cart," she wrote. "Baggage."
The "baggage cart" would be the baggage train, on the runway. If the hearse wasn't planeside, it would be necessary to transport the coffin to where the hearse was. The Casualty Assistance Officer rendered military honors and accompanied the body, as he was supposed to do. Presumably there were baggage handlers to place the coffin on the baggage train.
Defense Department spokeswoman Cynthia Smith was unaware of the incident late Wednesday but said the witness' description doesn't correlate with military procedure.
It doesn't.
Remains from a soldier killed in Iraq are taken to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware, then usually flown to a soldier's home, she said.
If there's not an airport at the soldier's home, it'll be flown to the nearest airport and then picked up by a funeral director.
Military escorts accompany each flight, whether domestic or military. When the coffin reaches the home area, it is met by an honor guard of two people and then transported to a funeral home, she said.
In this case, I'm guessing they were with the hearse, to great the coffin, and the person who was seen was the escort.
"We do everything to ensure that proper respect is given to the fallen service members and their families," Smith said.
It's all laid out in the regulation.
Airport officials said it's a problem that notification of the airport is not required when a soldier's coffin is en route. Airport Director David Damelio said he wasn't aware that the soldier's body had been transported through Rochester until Hoag's letter was published. "We're not notified unless the military or the family chooses to notify us," he said, adding that the airport often makes special arrangements at the request of soldiers' families.
Apparently there wasn't notification, which'd be why the hearse wasn't planeside.
Yet Damelio said Hoag's story doesn't make sense and said the Defense Department has always shown great care with soldiers' coffins. Procedurally, a coffin wouldn't come down a luggage belt with other baggage, he said. Also, a baggage cart isn't large enough to fit a coffin and other luggage, he said. "It couldn't happen. It's physically impossible," Damelio said.
There's room on the luggage train, however.
He said the airport was unable to find video of the incident.
Further reinforcing my opinion that the report's an exaggeration.
Nonetheless, the witness' description prompted Brooks to urge the Defense Department to change policies on the transportation of the coffins of dead soldiers.
Whether it happened or not?
"It is unfathomable to me that our federal government would allow a fallen military hero to be returned home in this manner, and then transport him along with someone's checked luggage," Brooks, a Republican, wrote in a terse letter to the Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England.
If it didn't happen then there'd be no need to fathom it, would there?
Brooks said the Defense Department should be required to notify an airport when the coffin of a fallen soldier is being transported so that proper arrangements are ensured. "I am asking you to do whatever is necessary to end this abhorrent practice," Brooks wrote. "Our military personnel and our veterans deserve better."
And our local elected officials really like getting their names in the paper.
Posted by:Fred & Gorb

#4  I think I'll go breathe into a bag for a while. But they better make sure a hearse is waiting from now on. I don't want anything that even looks like a luggage train to pick up coffins.

Unless it's a bunch of terrorists that need to be disposed of, of course. They can just throw those guys in garbage trucks until they're full and squeeze them out into the dump. Don't forget to hose them out when you're done so it doesn't contaminate the garbage.
Posted by: gorb   2006-11-30 16:41  

#3  Here's her original letter. It explains a little better what she saw.

Where was outpouring of respect for fallen soldier?

By Cynthia Hoag
Guest essayist

(November 28, 2006) — On Oct. 27, I was waiting for a flight with three friends at the Greater Rochester International Airport. As we talked and laughed, we watched airport personnel unloading luggage from a plane. And we were surprised to see a soldier in uniform standing by the airplane looking things over, and watching the luggage belt that was loaded with baggage.

Since I have served in the Army Reserves for 21 years, my friends asked me why I thought he was standing there. I did not need to answer because as I looked down, a box with the American flag draped over it came down the belt. The lone waiting soldier stood at attention saluting the fallen soldier.

My friends and I sat silently watching the casket roll down the belt, and then, to our surprise, disappear into the cart with the rest of the luggage. The waiting soldier stayed with the casket and rode in the cart as they pulled away.

My friends and I were speechless. I, as many Americans, support our troops and know they believe they are truly making a difference in Iraq. As I read the paper every day, I see the number of soldiers who are killed every day. I served with soldiers who were deployed in support of the war. I have not, however, known anyone who has been killed in it. After I read the paper I usually go about my business not thinking again about the young men and women who died trying to complete their mission. Since I have not been affected by the death of a loved one, or a friend, I haven't been as aware of the devastation that their families must endure. I'm afraid most people feel that way.

This incident, however, changed that for me. I saw the casket of a fallen soldier, saluted by a lone soldier, and then placed in the baggage cart. Baggage. There was a young man standing at the window watching intently with us. He made no comment, but I can only hope that he was not a relative.

At the very least, couldn't there have been a hearse to transport the fallen soldier? At the very least, couldn't there have been a group of soldiers to receive one of their own? If it had been a dignitary/celebrity arriving, the reception certainly would have been different.

It was a very sobering, sad experience for all of us. Please, don't let this happen again to any soldier. Let's not treat our fallen troops like baggage.
Posted by: tu3031   2006-11-30 14:45  

#2  Several years ago, I escorted the coffin of my baby from Florida to Michigan for burial. I was able to ride with the funeral director in the hearse, and he dropped me at the terminal and then went to the air freight section. While waiting for the flight to board, my son's casket was indeed sitting on a baggage cart, but it was the sole occupant of that cart and did indeed have to travel up the conveyor (head first) into the hold. It was positioned with the rest of the belly freight on the ramp. The weather was clear, so I cannot speak to the inclement weather procedures, but my guess is that they would cover or otherwise protect it. I saw nothing wrong with that, since there really is no other way to handle such an object. At the destination, the process was repeated, again with respect and care.

I would expect nothing less for a coffin carrying one of our soldiers. This, if true is not the norm, but I think it is simply an over-reaction.
Posted by: USN, ret.   2006-11-30 14:44  

#1  This is bullschit. The man should have been carried off the plane. It's that fricking simple.
Posted by: Icerigger   2006-11-30 14:39  

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