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Rabbi claims Holocaust dead ‘deserved it’
2006-12-19
Oh look, Mabel - they have a Ward Churchill idjit, too. Yes, officer, that's him on the left. Of course.
A BRITISH rabbi who angered fellow Jews by speaking at a “Holocaust denial” conference in Iran now says millions did die in gas chambers but may have deserved it.

Ahron Cohen, an Orthodox Jew from Greater Manchester and a leading member of the anti-Zionist Neturei Karta movement, sparked new controversy on his return from Tehran by suggesting that God would have saved the victims of the Nazis if they had deserved to live.

Cohen, whose house in Salford was pelted with 1,000 eggs last year because of his extremist views, told The Sunday Times: “There is no question that there was a Holocaust and gas chambers. There are too many eyewitnesses.

“However, our approach is that when one suffers, the one who perpetrates the suffering is obviously guilty but he will never succeed if the victim did not deserve it in one way or another.

“We have to look within to improve and try to better ourselves and remove those characteristics or actions that may have been the cause of the success of the Holocaust.”

Cohen’s trip to Tehran — along with four American rabbis from the same sect — was paid for by the Iranian foreign ministry, which organised the conference entitled The Holocaust: A Global Vision. They were warmly greeted by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, and had two meetings with him.

Cohen ended his speech to the conference with a prayer “that the underlying cause of strife and bloodshed in the Middle East, namely the state known as Israel, be totally and peacefully dissolved”.

The rabbi claimed “learned gentlemen from both sides of the fence” were at the latest conference. They included David Duke, former “imperial wizard” of the Ku Klux Klan.

Cohen said on his return: “President Ahmadinejad is not a man of war. He is a man of peace. I have received criticism for meeting him and attending the conference, but Jewish people are adopting an attitude of criticism from an emotional point of view, not a logical or sensible one.

“We know there was a Holocaust. We lived through it. I had relatives who died in it . . . But in no way must the Holocaust be used to further the aims of the Zionist concept.”

Rabbi Yehuda Brodie, registrar of the Jewish Ecclesiastical Court for Greater Manchester, said: “Rabbi Cohen has for a long time been ostracised by the vast majority of Jews for associating with and thus giving support and legitimacy to the enemies of Israel and the Jewish nation.

“He represents an insignificant minority. His involvement is a stab in the heart of the Jewish community and of all decent law-abiding people.”
Posted by:Anonymoose

#19  Iff we can have RINO CINO Dems, aka FASCISTS-FOR-COMMUNISM, ANARCHISTS-FOR-GOVERNMENTISM/
TOTALITARIANISM, etc, why not as per Rabbis/Jews for ...... Besides, many of these are just using their religion as cover = diversion for something else.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2006-12-19 23:17  

#18  One group, the Lubavitch chassidim, actually LIKE Christmas displays. Thats cause they have (for reasons too complex to go into) an obsession with spreading public Hanukkah displays,

LH we got some of those in TLH, right down the street as a matter of fact and you're right, it's all about Hanukkah displays. Works well here. Do you have a link for information about the too complex to go into here?
Posted by: Shipman   2006-12-19 17:58  

#17  - Leaders of New York's ultra-Orthodox Satmar community vehemently denied any connection with the Hasidim who participated in the Holocaust denial conference held in Tehran last week and met with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

New York Satmar leaders, who usually avoid all contact with members of the media, on Friday took the unusual step of issuing a press release slamming the "reckless outcasts" who took part in the Tehran gathering. The statement said that through their participation these individuals turned themselves into Holocaust deniers and joined those who dismiss the extent of the murder and cruelty and diminish the number of the victims who were murdered because they were Jewish.



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A separate press release issued by the Satmar Congregation Yetev Lev in Brooklyn took pains to establish that those who participated in the Iran conference do not belong to their community.

It is a big mistake, the statement continued, to call them rabbis or Hasidim just because of the way they dress.


Posted by: liberalhawk   2006-12-19 16:40  

#16  and yes, Id agree with TW, most guys like this dont really care about public displays of christianity. Such displays only matter to Jews who consider themselves citizens, and for whom such displays represent exclusion from citizenship. For guys like these, wrapped up in mystical fatalism, citizenship in ANY country is basically an irrelevance.

One group, the Lubavitch chassidim, actually LIKE Christmas displays. Thats cause they have (for reasons too complex to go into) an obsession with spreading public Hanukkah displays, and court cases allowing religious displays of course allow that as well.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2006-12-19 14:52  

#15  Let me remind once again, Neturei Karta is a minority within a minority within a minority.

Most Orthodox Jews, like most Non-O jews are Zionist - in fact some could be called "ultra-Zionist" Chassidic Jews, with some exceptions (like the Lubavitch) are cool to Zionism, since they believe that only G-d can found a Jewish state. Most accept Israel as a fait accompli to be dealt with though. A few chassidic groups, of which the most prominent is Szatmar, consider Israel an abomination, and refuse to have anything to do with the Israeli govt. The Neturei Karta is a minority within Szatmar, and most Szatmar hassidim find Net Kartas antics embarrassing.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2006-12-19 14:48  

#14  They finally found a usefull jew.
I wondered when the ultra-orthodox fruitcakes would get in on the action.
Posted by: bigim-ky   2006-12-19 10:42  

#13  That skirt was so short she deserved it.
Posted by: pihkalbadger   2006-12-19 10:06  

#12  I have to wonder why he doesn't just say, "Inshallah".
Posted by: Hupesh Elmonter5585   2006-12-19 09:49  

#11  I'll bet he's Jimmy Carter's favorite rabbi...
Posted by: tu3031   2006-12-19 09:19  

#10   Ahron Cohen, an Orthodox Jew from Greater Manchester and a leading member of the anti-Zionist Neturei Karta movement

Those would be the idiots who believe that Israel is an abomination and must be destroyed, which they're doing their best to help along by attending conferences like this. The head of their group was appointed the PLO's Minister of Jewish Affairs by Yasir Arafat. These are the people who in their spare time are fond of stoning women wearing shorts and cars driving past their neighborhood on the Sabbath. About as representative of Judaism as the Reverend James Jones was of Christianity when he passed out the poisoned Koolaid to his congregation in Guyana... and as they believe the Jews should be remain in the Diaspora until called back by God through His Messiah, they'd want to see more public displays of Christianity, so that all Jews should feel their abject misery as a subject people more deeply.
Posted by: trailing wife   2006-12-19 08:29  

#9  Next thing you know he'll be demanding Christmas trees be removed from Washington airports.

Sometimes when I wonder why these Michael Moore types think the way they do I have to pinch myself. There is no logic for pure evil.
Posted by: Icerigger   2006-12-19 07:54  

#8  Yup, PlanetDan -- don't forget the part about how they're gonna finish the thing that didn't happen.
Posted by: exJAG   2006-12-19 07:40  

#7  I love the logic of this conference. "It didn't happen, and the millions that died deserved it."
Posted by: PlanetDan   2006-12-19 07:27  

#6  I've heard of trial by combat and trial by fire. But this is the first I've heard of trial by Holocaust.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2006-12-19 07:26  

#5  Yes, Gorb, God wouldn't allow it if he didn't deserve it.

Unfortunately, no immam will issue a fatwah against this fool.
Posted by: Bobby   2006-12-19 06:30  

#4  Or they could tear all his hair out and stone him to death.

He'd deserve it, of course. :-)
Posted by: gorb   2006-12-19 03:35  

#3  may I offer for consideration that Ahron Cohen be nailed to a cross?
Posted by: RD   2006-12-19 02:33  

#2  Cohen said on his return: “President Ahmadinejad is not a man of war. He is a man of peace.

Just for spewing this bullshit alone, the man should be jailed or confined. Evil.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-12-19 01:42  

#1  Â“However, our approach is that when one suffers, the one who perpetrates the suffering is obviously guilty but he will never succeed if the victim did not deserve it in one way or another.

Common idea. Used to try to convice religious people to be even more religious. Because if they are religious enough, their suffering will go away because God doesn't need to punish them any more. [Note: "Enough" == bends sufficiently easily to the will of the religious authority that they can count on him/her to gladly do stupid stuff in the name of "God".]
Posted by: gorb   2006-12-19 01:12  

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