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Fifth Column
NY Slimes: A day without guns (Editorial)
2007-01-31
This one's short, so I'll just include the whole editorial below. Got it through netscape's main page, in case linky doesn't work.
Twenty years ago, the Florida Legislature cravenly decided to allow “law abiding” citizens to carry concealed weapons merely by declaring their preference for self-defense. Then last July, at the prodding of the gun lobby, the current crop of state lawmakers proved they could be even more corrupt and cowardly than their predecessors by deciding to make the list of gun-toting Floridians a secret.
I absolutely LOVE the adjectives and adverbs. Of course, to give credit, at least this one's in the Editorial section. Love the scare quotes around "law abiding" too.
Fortunately, a local newspaper has given residents of the state a final look at their representativesÂ’ gruesome handiwork.
Yep, folks it's gruesome to allow a citizen his/her 2nd Amendment Rights. All the fault of the FL State Reps, not the goons carrying out the crimes listed below.
When the law was first enacted, there were fewer than 25,000 licensed gun holders. Since then, the state roll has boomed to 410,000 and counting. As the veil descends on this dangerously macho part of the public record, enterprising articles in The Florida Sun-Sentinel are laying bare the fact that more than 1,400 people easily got gun licenses despite pleading guilty or no contest to felonies that included manslaughter, burglary and child molestation. In Broward County alone, gun licenses grew in 20 years to more than 35,000 from 25.
Let's see divide 410,000 by 1,400, carry the 2, ah well, it's WAAAY less than one-half of 1%. But who am I to point out the obvious to this enlightened, progressive Editorialist?
Sampling records just before the law took effect, the newspaper uncovered hundreds of tales of mayhem, official indifference and glaring loopholes in criminal justice protection. One man got a license after pleading no contest to manslaughter in fatally shooting his girlfriend in the head while she cooked him breakfast. Another applicant was licensed despite guilty pleas to grand theft and assault charges for holding a handgun against his roommateÂ’s head in an argument.

Those permitted to pack concealed weapons include 216 people with outstanding criminal warrants, 128 under domestic violence injunctions and 6 registered sex offenders.
But, hopefully, Florida law enforcement put these goons behind bars for good. That way, the gun permit doesn't really apply. But, I'd imagine this Editorialist doesn't get the irony of pleading for criminal's "rights" while also un-arming the "law abiding" citizenry and not allowing them to use self-defense when these goons get out. Boggling mind and all.
The gun lobby, predictably enough, is blaming “bleeding-heart, criminal-coddling judges and prosecutors” for this grim state of affairs. The truth is that the National Rifle Association has succeeded too well in herding legislators to do its dangerous bidding. Lawmakers in 38 states have approved bills allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons.
OH, the horrors, of allowing State Legislatures to arm their citizenry! And, who are these Lawmakers that are allowing democracy to work like that? Crucify them, I say, CRUCIFY them!
As in some of those states, FloridaÂ’s legislators take the position that itÂ’s no fun to have a gun if you canÂ’t use it.
teee-heeee, that type comment will really drive the LLL batty, even more than they really are.
So they loosened the laws on self-defense to allow a civilian to stand and use deadly force “if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary.” If lawmakers had any sense of shame, they would undo these lethal threats to their constituents.
Serving the citizenry I say. Let's get these Legislators a medal or something.
From official Florida statistics, violent crime commited with firearms was 34.0% of all crimes in 1989, and 22.0% in 2005. In 1989 there were 49,524 firearms-related violent crimes versus 27,676 in 2005. In that same time period the murder rate in Florida was 11.0/100,000 in 1989 versus 4.9/100,000 in 2005, and the percent of murders committed using firearms had decreased (63.2% to 59.1%).

Kinda goes against everything the NYT is arguing here, but don't confuse them with facts.
Posted by:BA

#22  The classic pearl handled revolver, Chuck Darwin? Suitable for pocket or garter? (Although the garter placement always struck me as problematic, given the layers of petticoats and skirts the ladies wore...)
Posted by: trailing wife   2007-01-31 20:13  

#21  ...478,000 Floridians were issued right-to-carry permits, yet only .018% had their permits revoked.

The stats are very similar here in Texas as well. It really torques the Liberals off to no end. They screamed and wailed that passing a must issue CCW law would result in raging torrents of blood in the streets, and non-stop gun play. Sheesh.

I want to know when are we going to classify Liberalism as a mental disease and start confining these wacky people to institutions for treatment.

Or not. Treatment that is. I'd settle for just confining them.

The fact that almost every man in most towns went "well-heeled" and felt as naked without his sidearm or rifle...

You don't hear much about it, but the ladies had shootin' irons as well. Cute little things!
Posted by: Chuck Darwin   2007-01-31 18:06  

#20  It has always been a prudent approach to get there firstest with the mostest when trouble comes knocking. This lesson often gets forgotten.

Recently we had a horrific double murder of a young man and woman in out city. The young man was killed; the woman raped and killed. The man's body was set on fire. They were a nice couple in their early 20s. They were carjacked by three thugs--one just released from prison. The couple was not armed. Had they been armed they might have had a chance. Screw the misguided gun grabbers.
Posted by: JohnQC   2007-01-31 17:44  

#19  An armed society is a peaceful society.

I've heard a number of people spouting off about how the Old West was not nearly as violent as westerns make it out to be. Indeed, statistically, the Old West was a very peaceful society.

What most of these people forget, however, is that a man who was not armed in the Old West was considered either a fool, a pansie, or to have a death wish. The fact that almost every man in most towns went "well-heeled" and felt as naked without his sidearm or rifle as if he'd walked out of the house without his pants made for a society where gunfire was an extremely rare event (shows like Little House On The Prairie notwithstanding).

When you know the other guy has a gun and knows how to use it, you're much less likely to use a gun to commit violence or mayhem against that guy.

Wyatt Earp and a number of other famous gunfighters proved this over and over again.

Posted by: FOTSGreg   2007-01-31 15:42  

#18  Make me a deal.
Real estate is preferred.
Posted by: Sen. Harry Reid   2007-01-31 15:26  

#17  I'm sure that my fine Senator Harry Reid will look out for our gun rights, just as he's promised. No, really. Honest.
Posted by: Secret Master   2007-01-31 15:23  

#16  Interesting, if the Dems really push for gun legislation it will put Guiliani in an interesting position.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2007-01-31 13:32  

#15  If the evil “Gun Lobby” is mentioned in the first paragraph, such as this, it should be a clue that a sophomoric argument based on arbitrary statistics with no context will certainly follow.
Here’s a figure the authors may want to chew on. In December of 1997, 478,000 Floridians were issued right-to-carry permits, yet only .018% had their permits revoked. Do the math. Seems to me there can only be two conclusions. Either the law enforcement officers that gun-control advocates always cite as being the sole arbiters for personal safety are derelict in their duties or more likely the vast majority of citizens that exercise their right to carry personal firearms are indeed “law abiding”.
Posted by: DepotGuy   2007-01-31 12:34  

#14  1,400 is about 1/3 of 1%

And New York hardly has room to pontificate about gun violence, even with their "total ban" on CCW permits (except for celebs and friends of da mayor).
Posted by: mojo   2007-01-31 11:08  

#13  I looked for an author, tu, but to no avail. So, I assume it's "Brave Sir Robbin" who wrote it. How "cowardly" of the NYT.
Posted by: BA   2007-01-31 10:51  

#12  We got an author on this editorial? I mean, somebody had to write it.
I can almost see the veins throbbing in their temples...
Posted by: tu3031   2007-01-31 09:31  

#11  I got halfway through, this is pure crap, pardon me while i go re-read the constitution, I hope I didn"t miss the part where Florida was excluded from following the law.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2007-01-31 09:26  

#10  Cravenly? Corrupt? Cowardly? Gruesome? I ask you NYT, why is that so?

Enacting laws which have saved THOUSANDS of lives, reduced the violent crime rate, reduced the murder rate, and made people safer is cowardly? It's gruesome? You people are trash. Go to hell, and I hope it's hot. Oh, and by the way, you stinking leftist criminal lovers, come and get my guns. I'm waiting.
Posted by: mcsegeek1   2007-01-31 09:23  

#9  I'm reloading. I'll read this later (maybe). Might print it out and line the litter box. There are a lot of people that don't beleive in the Constitution.
Posted by: JohnQC   2007-01-31 08:51  

#8  Actually, I like that the NY Slimes is doing this. There are far too many NY expats in my sleepy little backwater town, anyway. If the hurricane threat doesn't keep them home, maybe the "violent redneck" thing will work. Especially since not a freakin' one of them remembered to bring a decent pizza recipe with them. ;)
Posted by: Swamp Blondie   2007-01-31 08:46  

#7  I will lay 10/1 odds that the editorial writer either lives in a gated community or a Manhattan high rise with a doorman and extensive security.
Posted by: Sic_Semper_Tyrannus   2007-01-31 07:44  

#6  More editorials, perhaps, but significantly fewer readers thereof.
Posted by: trailing wife   2007-01-31 07:27  

#5  "They figgered out that gun-control is a loser at the ballot box..."

Don't count on it, Frank.

Expect a full-court press by their paid propagandists in the MSM to make it a winner, instead. Their propaganda worked on the WoT, and very likely they're figuring it can work regarding gun control, too.

Fair warning: expect a LOT more of this kind of editorial.

Posted by: Dave D.   2007-01-31 07:17  

#4  only in non-election years, DD. They figgered out that gun-control is a loser at the ballot box, and confiscation will have to be by other means...
say..."for the children"
Posted by: Frank G   2007-01-31 07:02  

#3  My prediction: look for a renewed push by the Democrats on gun control and confiscation over the next couple of years. They're salivating over the prospect of a Donk presidential victory in 2008, and if they get it they will want complete freedom to undertake a drastic restructuring of American society along Socialist lines-- and that means freedom from opposition by an angry, armed citizenry.

Fair warning.

Posted by: Dave D.   2007-01-31 06:59  

#2  Nice opposing-view commentary and facts. Too bad the Slimes has no room for either.
Posted by: Bobby   2007-01-31 06:36  

#1  I've got a great idea: Let's have a New York police Day Without Guns.™

No NYC police to protect the NYSlimes and its "people" (and I use the term loosely). (The cop ain't stupid enough to come to work without firearms.)

No armed private security guards, either.

Ain't gonna happen, though. Like Rosie O'Donnell *spit*, NYSlimes trash believe in "security for me, but not for thee."©
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2007-01-31 01:49  

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