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Science & Technology
Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet
2007-04-14
"Somebody let too many damn Republicans in here. We need better locks on the doors and a new secret handshake, pronto!"
Although it has already taken nearly four decades to get this far in building the Internet, some university researchers with the federal government's blessing want to scrap all that and start over. The idea may seem unthinkable, even absurd, but many believe a "clean slate" approach is the only way to truly address security, mobility and other challenges that have cropped up since UCLA professor Leonard Kleinrock helped supervise the first exchange of meaningless test data between two machines on Sept. 2, 1969.

The Internet "works well in many situations but was designed for completely different assumptions," said Dipankar Raychaudhuri, a Rutgers University professor overseeing three clean-slate projects. "It's sort of a miracle that it continues to work well today."

No longer constrained by slow connections and computer processors and high costs for storage, researchers say the time has come to rethink the Internet's underlying architecture, a move that could mean replacing networking equipment and rewriting software on computers to better channel future traffic over the existing pipes.

Even Vinton Cerf, one of the Internet's founding fathers as co- developer of the key communications techniques, said the exercise was "generally healthy" because the current technology "does not satisfy all needs."

One challenge in any reconstruction, though, will be balancing the interests of various constituencies. The first time around, researchers were able to toil away in their labs quietly. Industry is playing a bigger role this time, and law enforcement is bound to make its needs for wiretapping known. There's no evidence they are meddling yet, but once any research looks promising, "a number of people (will) want to be in the drawing room," said Jonathan Zittrain, a law professor affiliated with Oxford and Harvard universities. "They'll be wearing coats and ties and spilling out of the venue."
Posted by:Fred

#14  So how is that IPv6 adoption going along?

And what ever happened to Internet 2?

I don't think this talks about scrapping the entire 'Internet' (remember some reporters think the 'Internet' is the WWW only).

Some of the protocols (for email for example) could use upgrading / replacing (at least to get rid of spam mail). http (not HTML/XML/etc..) could use some work to provide more security and additional information.

Perhams making security certificates *free* (as in free beer) and trustworthy so everyone can have their own email certificate.

But I don't think some government or someone in some ivory tower should do it.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2007-04-14 21:23  

#13  I suggest they leave the internet alone, and offer their perfect solution (once they actually have it) as an upcharge option for those who actually need such things, in the same way those who are willing to pay extra for a high-speed connection get faster downloads than those who stick with the cheap/free telephone thingy that I used to think was so cool. But then we don't expect august university professors to pay much attention to the opinion of an ordinary little Midwestern suburban housewife. Betcha that's how it shakes out, though. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife   2007-04-14 20:17  

#12  Zenster, quit waffling and tell us what you really think!

UCLA professor Leonard Kleinrock helped supervise the first exchange of meaningless test data between two machines

Sounds to me as if the professors just conducted another "exchange of meaningless test data."
Posted by: Almost Anonymous5839   2007-04-14 17:43  

#11  The Internet "works well in many situations but was designed for completely different assumptions," said Dipankar Raychaudhuri, a Rutgers University professor overseeing three clean-slate projects. "It's sort of a miracle that it continues to work well today."

Notice how people who hate the Internet are often some third world numbnuts dipshit whose own country couldn't cobble together their own Internet on the luckiest day of their lives even if they had an electrified Internet cobbling machine?

Why is it that when these two-bit morons finally gain access to advanced technology, they suddenly get so damned smart and delude themselve into believing that they can do it better?

Dr. Raychaudhuri obtained his B.Tech (Hons) from the Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur in 1976

My advice to Dr. Raychaudhuri is: Go back home to your own damned economic shithole of a native land and try manufacturing something so simple as a lousy stinking automobile before you come to America with your brilliant idea of crippling one of the most powerful tools ever invented in the history of mankind. Oh, I forgot something, FOAD!

Posted by: Zenster   2007-04-14 17:32  

#10  You can take my internet away only when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers!
Posted by: Grumenk Philalzabod0723   2007-04-14 16:18  

#9   The idea may seem unthinkable, even absurd, but many believe a "clean slate" approach is the only way to truly address security, mobility and other challenges...

Are they talking about the internet or Microsoft operating systems? :)
Posted by: Procopius2k   2007-04-14 14:23  

#8  But where will I get my pr0n from if they scrape the WWW? Thinks about me, dammit, before doing something inconsiderate.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2007-04-14 13:32  

#7  #2: Actualy, joe does have a point, if I understand him correctly. The control freaks are not happy with what the innernut has become.

Right, if not under THEIR control, it's EVIL.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2007-04-14 12:52  

#6  What will we do with all those left-over tubes?
Posted by: Ted Stevens   2007-04-14 12:01  

#5  Helmuth,

You do know that the creator of JavaScript is Brendan Eich, don't you? Not directly relevant, but I'm just saying.

For now on, I will refer to him as Eichbrendan.
Posted by: Eric Jablow   2007-04-14 09:31  

#4  There's no evidence they are meddling yet, but once any research looks promising, "a number of people (will) want to be in the drawing room," said Jonathan Zittrain, a law professor affiliated with Oxford and Harvard universities. "They'll be wearing coats and ties and spilling out of the venue."

Yeah, Gawd forbid the people who invest billions of dollars in making the Internet run should have a say in how something will affect their investment...
Posted by: badanov   2007-04-14 08:14  

#3  Yep, JOE! knows the score. I think if it ever happened it would use 3DCees ideas positional info for addressing.
Posted by: Shipman   2007-04-14 06:34  

#2  Actualy, joe does have a point, if I understand him correctly. The control freaks are not happy with what the innernut has become.

Fortuantely, all the competeing interests (Tax collectors, busybody censors, Kossaks, Nutroots, and under-employed security types) will tend to cancel each other out.
Posted by: Helmuth, Speaking for N guard   2007-04-14 00:19  

#1  IOW, they want a Govt-controlled andor Govt-monitored Net where personal websites can be read as soon as a human finger touches the keyboard, + of course TAXABLE which in turn "justifies" Govt control. DEMOLEFT > ANARCHY = BIG [GER] GOVT + REGULATION, but the Lefties know that already.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2007-04-14 00:06  

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