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| Fjordman : A Christian Background for Political Correctness? |
| 2007-05-03 |
| Posted by:anonymous5089 |
| #3 Personally, I believe our sprits were originally 4 dimensional (xyzs), with spirits being any being with the 4th dimension (s). As punishment for their sin, Adam and Eve's spirits were deprived of one physical dimension (xzs) Ptah, do you not mean a loss from XYZS -> XYZ, thereby losing the temporal component of spiritual transport or experience? In such a light your theory makes some degree of sense in that man's self-imposed material existence forbids him a large portion of transcendental mobility. While I still have immense difficulty in accepting most conventional interpretations of the Paradise Mythos, I am always interested in novel and constructive evaluations of it. Please be so kind as to elucidate upon your own version, if you would. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-05-03 22:29 |
| #2 One major component of Western self-loathing is the idea that we should we be punished for crimes, perceived or real, committed by our ancestors before we were even born. It could be argued that this idea has its roots in Christian thinking, in the concept of original sin, committed by Adam and Eve, but where all their descendants are subject to its effects. *sigh* This is patently anti-biblical, even from the Old Testament, as is shown here. People's thinking on this was so warped back then that they said that it was not right that people should suffer for their OWN sins, and accused God of being wrongheaded for insisting that they should. As I see it, the doctrine of Original sin is the teaching that Adam and Eve's sin had spritual effects that render them, and their offspring, incapable of righteous behavior. We have no problems acknowledging that there are chemicals that damage gametes so that the offspring suffer from the consequences of damaged genes, but balk at the concept of spiritual genetics and permanent spiritual genetic damage passed from parents to offspring. Our native ignorance of the nature of spirit is so lamentable and deep, we're like liberal moonbats being so stupid about a subject that we have no conception or ability to even judge who's an expert in that subject, or judge rightly when someone's telling the truth or falsehood about it. Question: if you chop BOTH your arms off above the elbows, how can YOU, yourself, stop YOURSELF from bleeding to death? YES, there ARE things you can do that are irreparable, and not all the whining that "it's unfair!" can change that. Personally, I believe our sprits were originally 4 dimensional (xyzs), with spirits being any being with the 4th dimension (s). As punishment for their sin, Adam and Eve's spirits were deprived of one physical dimension (xzs), as were the angels who fell. No matter how much humans breed, their spirits cannot go from 3 to 4 dimensions because they cannot pass on what they do not have. I find that a lot of unusual verses and passages in the Bible that don't make sense suddenly DO make sense given this thesis. |
| Posted by: Ptah 2007-05-03 22:05 |
| #1 As always, a5089, posts the corkers: Yet our humanitarian ideas are secular versions of Christian compassion, and it is Christian or post-Christian compassion that compels us to keep feeding and funding the unsustainable birth rates in other cultures, even actively hostile ones. Likewise, there are elements of Christian thought, such as universalism, that could be seen as the inspiration behind our one-world Multiculturalists. Might this be the fountainhead of bleeding heart liberalism? Let's read further ... The next three items are from the linked Fjordman article: If even one single person breaches any of these conditions, the entire dhimmi community will be punished, and Jihad resumes. Notice that while Muslims, following each case of Islamic terrorism, are quick to say that not all Muslims should be punished for the actions of a few, this is precisely what sharia proscribes for non-Muslims. So, when will Christianity learn that Islam is not worthy of the Golden Rule? Islam must not be treated as we would wish them to treat us. Muslims have already decided that any Christian, no matter how kind, devout or subservient, will be collectively punished for the sins of any other non-Muslim person, be they Infidel, Jew, Hindi or what have you. In a meeting attended by Robert Spencer, former Soviet dissident Natan Sharansky noted that Israel had again and again aided Christians - at their own request - against Islamic violence and injustice, most notably when the Church of the Nativity was occupied by Jihadists in 2002. Yet international Christian leaders, he said, have not responded with similar gestures toward Israel. This is increasingly true and represents totally reprehensible conduct on the part of Christian organizations. Christians need to realize that they have much more in common with other non-Muslims, not just Jews, but Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and Atheists, than they will ever have with Muslims. Why is this not the case? Islam long ago proved that its “people of the book” doctrine is a total farce. Christians argue that Europe’s problem is a cultural vacuum created by the retreat of church attendance and Christianity as a religion, which has paved the way for Islam to enter. They have a point, as I have shown before. But some Christian groups are opening the West to Islam, too, and the secular state doesn’t have to be insipid and toothless. Religious groups sponsoring the Minnesotan Somalis spring to mind. One major component of Western self-loathing is the idea that we should we be punished for crimes, perceived or real, committed by our ancestors before we were even born. It could be argued that this idea has its roots in Christian thinking, in the concept of original sin, committed by Adam and Eve, but where all their descendants are subject to its effects. It appears that Fjordman grasps just how abominable the concept of Original Sin is. Perhaps Christianity, despite its many great qualities, needs to be balanced out by other more worldly elements, such as attachment to nation states. Compare this last statement to that of Ayatollah Khomeini’s speech at Qom in 1980: 'We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. I say, let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant.' Perhaps a little secular nationalism is a good thing. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-05-03 21:33 |