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Iraq
What's so wrong with taking sides in a civil war?
2007-05-18
Jonah Goldberg, National Review

Without much notice and even less discussion, “civil war” has become the new abracadabra phrase for American foreign policy. Sen. Joe Biden leads the magicians who’ve seemed to convince everybody that it never makes sense to get involved in a civil war. In March, he screamed from the Senate floor: “I’m so tired of hearing on this floor about courage. Have the courage to tell the administration, ‘Stop this ridiculous policy you have.’ We’re taking sides in a civil war!”

Biden’s not alone. It’s become a standard talking point for most major opponents of the Iraq war. The Democrats’ Iraq-withdrawal point man in the House, John Murtha, says we’re “caught in a civil war” in almost every interview, as if this is the geopolitical equivalent of “I’ve fallen and can’t get up.” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said last week that, “We stand united ... in our belief that troops are enmeshed in an intractable civil war.”

The assumption behind this gambit is obvious: Declaring it a civil war is like blowing a whistle at the end of the game. ThereÂ’s nothing left to do but pack up the equipment and go home.

Al Qaeda in Iraq (and perhaps the Iranians) have clearly figured this out. ThatÂ’s why they consistently try to stoke sectarian passions by, for example, bombing the Golden Mosque in Samarra, IraqÂ’s holiest Shia shrine. . . . OK, but hereÂ’s what I donÂ’t get: Why? Why is it obvious that intervening in a civil war is not only wrong, but so self-evidently wrong that merely calling the Iraqi conflict a civil war closes off discussion?

Surely it canÂ’t be a moral argument. Every liberal foreign policy do-gooder in Christendom wants America to interject itself in the Sudanese civil war unfolding so horrifically in Darfur. The high-water mark in post-Vietnam liberal foreign policy was Bill ClintonÂ’s intervention in the Yugoslavian civil war. If we can violate the prime directive of no civil wars for Darfur and Kosovo, why not for Kirkuk and Basra?

If your answer is that those calls for intervention were “humanitarian,” that just confuses me more. Advocates of a pullout mostly concede that Iraq will become a genocidal, humanitarian disaster if we leave. Is the prospect of Iraqi genocide more tolerable for some reason?

Then there are those who take the fatalistÂ’s cop-out: Civil wars have no good guys and bad guys. TheyÂ’re just dogfights, and we should stay out of them and see who comes out on top. But thatÂ’s also confusing, because not only is it not true, liberals have been saying the opposite for generations. They cheered for the Reds against the Whites in the Russian civil war, for the Communists against the Fascists in the Spanish civil war, and for the victims of ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia and Sudan. Surely liberals believe there was a good side and a bad side in the American Civil War?

Ah, but IÂ’m missing the point, they might say. ItÂ’s not that there arenÂ’t good guys and bad guys, itÂ’s that we canÂ’t do anything about it, and therefore itÂ’s not in our interests to try. Then they point to, say, the civil wars in Lebanon or, closer to their hearts, Vietnam.

LetÂ’s stipulate Vietnam was a civil war. So what? There were certainly good guys and bad guys, and let the record show the bad guys won, which was not in our interests. This in turn led to many humanitarian calamities. And, recall, another superpower intervened in that civil war, and it worked out pretty well for the Soviets.

More to the point, itÂ’s ludicrous to believe America has no interest in who wins or loses various civil wars, including IraqÂ’s. The 20th century would have been a lot more pleasant if the Bolsheviks had lost the Russian civil war, and the 21st will be a lot more ugly if Sunni Salafists or Iranian pawns win in Iraq.

I’m not saying a civil war is a desirable environment for anybody. But nor is it a geopolitical black box absolving all concerned from moral and strategic discrimination. And yet that is exactly what advocates for withdrawal from Iraq want everyone to believe — but only when it comes to Iraq.
Posted by:Mike

#4  Verlaine: This is a point I've been making - with great effect - several folks ever since the latest teen fad took off. If anything, Goldberg understates the case. Our interests, our strategy, and judgements to effect them are all that matter - whether it means intervening (or not) in a civil war, non-civil war, food fight, towel-snapping contest, or anything else. Nothing magic about "civil wars" - in fact, often they represent good pickins': if the stronger side also happens to be the better one for our interests, then likely we can advance our cause on the cheap (comparatively).

I think the idea that civil wars were "internal affairs" got some traction with the Treaty of Westphalia, which considered the nation state sacrosanct. The problem with this premise is that few states are actually composed of singular "nations" (tribes or ethnicities) - just about every state is actually the end product of wars that attempted to fit square pegs into round holes - meld people of different ethnicities and languages into a single state - i.e. an empire - to maximize the power and wealth of the ruler to whom it all belonged. The reality is that even after the signing of the treaty, states/empires continued to go after each other's territories for population and resources, or failing that, tried to assist rebels within their neighbors' empires in order to break them up.

My view is that a civil war within a state is no more an "internal affair" than the imperial wars that created the state were an internal affair. The concept of permanent fixed borders came about only with the advent of Pax Sovietica and Pax Americana. The day of Pax Sovietica is done. As Pax Americana fades, out of morale issues rather than physical or economic exhaustion, I expect borders to become fluid once again. Geographical features are more or less permanent. Political boundaries are not.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2007-05-18 20:58  

#3  This is a point I've been making - with great effect - several folks ever since the latest teen fad took off. If anything, Goldberg understates the case. Our interests, our strategy, and judgements to effect them are all that matter - whether it means intervening (or not) in a civil war, non-civil war, food fight, towel-snapping contest, or anything else. Nothing magic about "civil wars" - in fact, often they represent good pickins': if the stronger side also happens to be the better one for our interests, then likely we can advance our cause on the cheap (comparatively).

It is a measure of the silliness of "debate" on most national security topics that Goldberg (an amusing and sharp-eyed generalist) has to point out such an obvious thing. One more item the administration and the few intelligent people in Congress should have picked up and settled when it first arose. The ignorance and unseriousness of the "debate" on war issues in DC is stupefying.
Posted by: Verlaine   2007-05-18 19:55  

#2  What's so wrong with taking sides in a civil war?

Maybe because when we have our next one, non-Americans had pretty much butt out. Payback for those who don't isn't going to be 'kinder and gentler'.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2007-05-18 09:21  

#1  Because we have a group of people in Washington that are duplicitous schemers, that's why. This war has been the most fantastically lucrative development that the dems could ever hope for. No matter what happens they can bitch and moan. No matter what does happen they WILL bitch an moan. National security,national pride, regional stability, life and limb, those mean nothing to a liberal. Only the pursuit of their "enlightened" agenda matters, nothing else. There should be sedition trials for all the subverters of this cause.
Posted by: bigjim-ky   2007-05-18 08:46  

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