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Caribbean-Latin America
Chavez to finalise Russian submarines deal
2007-06-14
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez is expected to finalise a deal on buying up to nine Russian submarines during a visit here later this month, a Russian newspaper reported on Thursday.
Ummm... Yasss. The mighty Venezuelan navy. In their Kursks.
Caracas has already ordered five 636-type diesel submarines and four of a new model of diesel submarine, the 677E Amur, the Kommersant broadsheet said, quoting unnamed sources in the ship-building and arms export sectors.
Oh. Okay. New model Amurs. Ever so much harder to sink with all hands.
They're automated, you can sink them with just one hand.
Chavez may have to settle for the older 636 submarines for the time being as the new 677E Amur has not yet been presented to Russia's own navy, a source at the arms export agency Rosoboronexport said. "To start off with they were insisting on only the Amurs but were then persuaded to take the 636 vessels," the source told Kommersant.
Better get the cash up front, Vlad.
The paper said Chavez planned to visit Russia on June 29, less than a year after a visit last July, the paper said.
He's not going by submarine, though.
If it goes ahead, the deal is likely to become a "new irritant in relations between Moscow and Washington," the paper commented. Venezuela has become a major buyer of Russian arms in recent years. Since 2005 Caracas has spent 3.4 billion dollars (2.6 billion euros) on arms from Russia, including 24 fighter planes, 35 military helicopters, air defence systems and 100,000 kalashnikov rifles, the paper said. Venezuela wants the submarines in order to overcome a possible US naval blockade, the paper said.
Oh that will work well. Our Navy could use the anti-sub practice.
Between 2004 and 2006 Russia supplied eight of the 636 submarines to China and is now building two such submarines for Algeria, Kommersant added.
Posted by:Steve White

#11  Narc traffickers have been caught using subs off Colombia, Spain, and So. Korea and some of the reportedly missing nuclear missiles are sub-launched, if I remember correctly. Even if the launch tubes are destroyed, can't they reverse engineer them? 40' whale sharks migrate off the coast of So. America north toward Belize, putting the Navy at odds with Greenpeace for any maneuvers in these pristine waters. I trust Chavez less than I do the Russians and apparently that is meaningless, so the US must prepare to stand alone and defend ourselves again.
Posted by: Danielle   2007-06-14 15:40  

#10  Had the chance last weekend to tour that soviet attack sub at the San Diego Maritime Museum. Decommissioned in '94. Libya currently as 4 of em rusting away for those very reasons stated. Looks good on paper - operations are another matter. This is in itself interesting as these subs, while effective are brutally primitive. The one I saw was based off the Type XXI U-boat and used an analogue targeting computer. This suggests that those purchases were either just bluffs or forward asset placements to be used by implanted soviet crews in the case of hostilities. The Libyans never had or invested in the proper expertise to operate them. Chavez is just being suckered by the Russkies.
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2007-06-14 13:17  

#9  Venezuela starting an artificial reef program?
Posted by: tu3031   2007-06-14 12:56  

#8  If Venezuela wants to take over Aruba and Noth Antilles (right off their coast) subs would be a nice deterent. Of course the European anti-military stance would be an even better deterent.

Perhaps Chavez should consider villifying the Europeans for awhile since he can't provoke the US.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2007-06-14 12:51  

#7  Do you think we have enough LA class subs to cover both seaboards and do all the forward deployed things we need them to do in Asia, the Indian Ocean/Persian Gulf, the Arctic Ocean?
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman   2007-06-14 11:43  

#6  Of course, there's no Los Angeles-class attack subs lurking in the Caribbean waiting for these mooks to burble noisily past. Oh, heavens no!
Posted by: mojo   2007-06-14 11:12  

#5  We're the ones who turned our medium anti-sub patrol planes into tankers, and then started retiring them from even that.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman   2007-06-14 10:50  

#4  The Venezuelan Navy has been running diesel electric subs for several decades. Usually, though, they've been from Europe and not Russia.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman   2007-06-14 10:48  

#3  Rambler - you are absolutely correct. Its one thing to have them, another to know how to use them, and you cant train them overnight.

I'm less worried about us getting hit - its the Dutch that should be worried with thier islands on Hugo's doorstep.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam   2007-06-14 10:20  

#2  Getting the subs is one thing. Learning to use them effectively is another. Is Russia going to provide crews as well?
Diesel boats can be an effective threat if used correctly - they are very quiet when running on batteries. If you know how to use them, that is. Learning how can be deadly.
Posted by: Rambler   2007-06-14 09:53  

#1  Oh goodie. Target practice!
Posted by: US Navy   2007-06-14 09:44  

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