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| Episcopal Priest: "I am both Muslim and Christian" | ||||
| 2007-06-17 | ||||
| h/t Lucianne Shortly after noon on Fridays, the Rev. Ann Holmes Redding ties on a black headscarf, preparing to pray with her Muslim group on First Hill. On Sunday mornings, Redding puts on the white collar of an Episcopal priest. She does both, she says, because she's Christian and Muslim.
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| Posted by:mrp |
| #30 "Islam doesn't say if you're a Christian, you're not a Muslim," said programming director Ayesha Anderson. "Islam doesn't lay it out like that." Indeed. Islam says if you're a Christian, you're just a Muslim stubbornly refusing to admit it, and thus subject to punishment until you accept. But Islam also says that a Muslim who chooses Christianity is apostate, and the punishment for apostasy is death. *shrug* A tad disengenuous, the clever Professor the Honourable Reverend the shahida Ann Holmes Redding. I wonder how it feels to know one has in every way possible disappointed one's parents? |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2007-06-17 21:40 |
| #29 Perhaps the bishop in Seattle could point out the occasional observers observation of her falseness to both religions? Nah. The bishop is the Rodney King of the Northwest. |
| Posted by: Phineter Thraviger 2007-06-17 21:40 |
| #28 As a dear friend of mine said upon hearing about this travesty: "How can you be a Christian and a Moslem at the same time? Easily - by being false to them BOTH!" |
| Posted by: occasional observer 2007-06-17 20:34 |
| #27 Simple as this: To be a Christian, you must profess your belief in the divinity of Jesus Christ, and the unity of the Trinity, and be baptized. Tell that to a Islamist, and you are immediately an apostate - and a "polytheist". There is but one True God, and his Prophet is Allah. That simple. To be a Muslim you must deny the trinity and the divinity of Christ. To be a Christian you must hold that as a central tenet of your faith. You cannot be both. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2007-06-17 20:20 |
| #26 Redding doesn't feel she has to resolve all the contradictions. People like Rev. Redding who possess the flexibility for such theological gymnastics typically ignore the rigors faced by morally honest individuals who insist upon such old fashioned concepts as reason and intellectual integrity. "To walk into Al-Islam and be reminded that there are more people of color in the world than white people, that in itself is a relief," she said. Paging Al Sharpton to the white courtesy phone. She found the discipline of praying five times a day — one of the five pillars of Islam that all Muslims are supposed to follow — gave her the deep sense of connection with God that she yearned for. Once you've abandoned intellectual integrity, it's any port in a storm. Living a life where you're remembering God intentionally, consciously, just changes everything." I guess she must not have been doing that before. Kinda shows, too. Friends who didn't know she was practicing Islam told her she glowed. That's what they say about Ahmadinejad as well. Muslims regard the Quran as the unadulterated word of God, delivered through the angel Gabriel to Mohammed. While they believe the Torah and the Gospels include revelations from God, they believe those revelations have been misinterpreted or mishandled by humans. A lot of the mishandling being done by humans of Muslim persuasion. She does believe that Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected, and acknowledges those beliefs conflict with the teachings of the Quran. Along with other niggling discrepancies like killing anyone who doesn’t agree with you, chopping off heads, hands and clitties and no exit strategies allowed. Islam tends to be a little more flexible. Absolutely, it gives far more reasons for killing just about anyone you want to, including other Muslims, than the rest of this planet’s religions combined. I'm going to be 100 percent Christian and 100 percent Muslim when I die. No one can be 200% anything, is she going to clone herself? "And we desperately need those bridge persons." So, build a bridge out of her and be done with it. "I'm a floor wax and a dessert topping." Ding, ding, ding … we have a winner! This is another instance of selfishness and postmodernism attempting to drape itself in religious garb so that some weak bastard can get spiritual satisfaction on the cheap. A good summation. However, this dingbat goes well past religious “cafeteria” models and enters the realm of an “All You Can |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-06-17 20:02 |
| #25 This is coming at the same time that many parishes are breaking away and asking for episcopal oversight by doctrinally orthodox African bishops. What is left of The Episcopal Church (as it chose to style itself recently, in what can only be called an act of breathtaking pride) is sinking fast to the lowest depths. |
| Posted by: occasional observer 2007-06-17 19:48 |
| #24 Thanks Zoid. Just spent the last hour reading on the Gospel of Barnabas. Pretty clear fraud case which explains why some Muslims would refer to it. |
| Posted by: Icerigger 2007-06-17 19:45 |
| #23 You can always tell a false prophet by the number of wives he has... |
| Posted by: Dopey Clating8616 2007-06-17 19:02 |
| #22 Lord Cthulhu thanks the Seattle Times for calling up another tasty snack. |
| Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy 2007-06-17 18:54 |
| #21 Do Muslims accept Joseph Smith as a prophet? Just askin. |
| Posted by: Nimble Spemble 2007-06-17 18:42 |
| #20 One of the many reasons the Episcopal Church is going down the shitter. |
| Posted by: JohnQC 2007-06-17 16:59 |
| #19 Burn her! |
| Posted by: Natural Law 2007-06-17 16:07 |
| #18 This is another instance of selfishness and postmodernism attempting to drape itself in religious garb so that some weak bastard can get spiritual satisfaction on the cheap. Some meme sets cannot be unbundled. The cafeteria approach to religion is one that allows people like this woman to pick and choose those aspects which give her satisfaction without having to make any sacrifices or hard decisions. How could a flock of parishioners respect someone like that? |
| Posted by: no mo uro 2007-06-17 15:24 |
| #17 As a Christian this is simply a sign, one of the final seven signs, that the end of man's era as we have known it, is immanent. Second Thessalonians 2:3: “That day shall not come, except there come a falling away—an apostacy—first.” Luke 16:13: "No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other." In Islam, since she is female, she can never be the head of a Mosque. She is looting what is left of the great Episcopalian church, formerly a Christian church, by drawing pay and benefits on Sunday, while will fully covering her head in black for the pedofile Mohammed on Monday. |
| Posted by: Dopey Clating8616 2007-06-17 14:55 |
| #16 A very fool. |
| Posted by: Icerigger 2007-06-17 14:29 |
| #15 Having left the Episcopal church 25 years ago when woman 'priests' were allowed, and staying permanently away following the gay priest piety decisions, this is another example of a bipolar religeous malady in that former great church. Ms. Redding's move to the 7th Century, AD, is insane unless right and wrong do not exist. |
| Posted by: Phineter Thraviger 2007-06-17 13:53 |
| #14 Yikes! She's got |
| Posted by: Raj 2007-06-17 13:35 |
| #13 Addenda: Muslims believe that Abraham was NOT a Jew. Mohammed called him a "Hanif." There is no record of any race of that name. The "satanic verse" episode that caused Mohammed to revise the Koran - recorded in Tirmidhi - was concocted by Mohammed to prove that Satan can even possess a "prophet." Koran "corrections" of the Old and New Testaments, reflect Mohammed's proffer of Satanic distortion of Jewish and Christian books. It is not accidental that Iran's Ayatollahs refer to America - a country founded by Christians - as "the Great Satan." Their purpose in life is: the murder of every non-Muslim American. And Condi Rice wants to negotiate with those diseases in human form. The Koran was concocted for Mohammed's private purpose: to effect revenge on fellow Meccans who emasculated him because he was a sex toy for a woman 15 years senior to him. After he self-annointed himself with "prophet" status, he married 13 women, one after a battlefield rape and another when she was 6 years old. I am a Atheist who recognizes freedom of conscience, with separation of church and State. However, I support extreme use of force against Muslims, because their aggressive and genocidal cult is unconscionable in its entirety. I would sleep very well after launching H-bombs on Mecca, Medina, Karbala and Qom. |
| Posted by: McZoid 2007-06-17 13:24 |
| #12 Pope John Paul 2 was photographed kissing the Koran, while on a Middle East trip. I believe the Koran-kissing took place during an ecumenical confab in Assisi, Italy. |
| Posted by: mrp 2007-06-17 13:21 |
| #11 nice catch Mullah Richard. Note the heavy exposures to substances causing "learning deficit"... |
| Posted by: Frank G 2007-06-17 13:19 |
| #10 WTF? Muslims believe that Jesus Christ was only one of many "prophets." They concoct over reaching exegesis of the apocryphal "Gospel of Barnabas," to point to prophecy of the "first coming": Muhammed (pig dung be upon him). They believe that the cult founder is the "last prophet," and that he "perfected" the cult, from all "Satanic" distortion. A Muslim will not touch either Jewish or Christian sacred books without apologist' purpose, or to advance dhimmism by strategic deceit (taqiyah). In stark contrast, Pope John Paul 2 was photographed kissing the Koran, while on a Middle East trip. More than the problem of ignorance, is the absolute refusal of certain morons to understand Islam. I have corrected hundreds of fat-heads; few ever shake their deranged notions of benign Islam. The real relationship between Christians and Muslims is: mortal enemies. Benign-Islam dogma is allowing Iran to build nuclear tipped missiles, and aim them at America. |
| Posted by: McZoid 2007-06-17 13:09 |
| #9 Here's a "tidbit". Seems she may have other issues, too. |
| Posted by: Mullah Richard 2007-06-17 12:55 |
| #8 Redding's bishop, the Rt. Rev. Vincent Warner, Most bishops are imposters. They don't move diagonally. |
| Posted by: badanov 2007-06-17 12:46 |
| #7 "I am both Muslim and Christian" No, you're not. You can be one or the other, but not both at the same time (and I suspect you haven't been Christian for a long time, if you ever were). What you are is a LOON. |
| Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2007-06-17 12:39 |
| #6 Going back to her "african" roots, is she? Because islam is the religion of the poor and oppressed, while christianity is the religion of privileges (whitey). |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2007-06-17 12:32 |
| #5 "I'm a floor wax and a dessert topping." Jackass is more like it. |
| Posted by: regular joe 2007-06-17 12:32 |
| #4 I'm a little bit Country, I'm a little bit Rock and Roll... |
| Posted by: Penguin 2007-06-17 12:30 |
| #3 If you deny the divinity of Christ, you cannot be a Christian. If you accept the divinity of Christ, you cannot be a Muslim. I'd have thought that was clear. Apparently not. |
| Posted by: Rob Crawford 2007-06-17 12:29 |
| #2 This guy is proof you can be an idiot and a dickhead at the same time. |
| Posted by: DarthVader 2007-06-17 12:13 |
| #1 The Archbishop of Canterbury considers himself both an Episcopalian and a Druid, and heaven knows what some of the more icky American Episcopalians thinks of themselves as well. Satanists, Wiccans, Thugee. It's no wonder that the Anglicans want to pitch them out on their ear. Maybe they can borrow some Dominicans from the Catholics and have a good old fashioned witch trial and burning. |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2007-06-17 11:56 |