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Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Israeli jets escaped by jamming Russian air defense
2007-09-08
If true, Bashir and his Iranian puppetmasters need to think very carefully about their next move.

If not true, I hope Bashir and the stringpullers are still worried ....
Exactly the rumor I'd be spreading if I was running the IAF, true or not ...
DEBKAfileÂ’s military experts conclude from the way Damascus described the episode Wednesday, Sept. 6, that the Pantsyr-S1E missiles, purchased from Russia to repel air assailants, failed to down the Israeli jets accused of penetrating northern Syrian airspace from the Mediterranean the night before. The new Pantsyr missiles therefore leave Syrian and Iranian airspace vulnerable to hostile intrusion.
You don't think they flew that mission to test that system do you?... Naw. They wouldn't do that. Forget I said anything.
The Israeli plane or planes were described by a Syrian military spokesman as “forced to leave by Syrian air defense fire after dropping ammunition over deserted areas without causing casualties.” He warned “the Israeli enemy against repeating its aggressive action” and said his government reserved the right to respond in an appropriate manner.

Western intelligence circles stress that information on Russian missile consignments to Syria or Iran is vital to any US calculation of whether to attack Iran over its nuclear program. They assume that the “absolute jamming immunity” which the Russian manufactures promised for the improved Pantsyr missiles was immobilized by superior electronic capabilities exercised by the jets before they were “forced to leave.”

Syria took delivery in mid-August of 10 batteries of sophisticated Russian Pantsyr-S1E Air Defense Missile fire control systems with advanced radar, those sources report. They have just been installed in Syria.

Understanding that the Pantsyr-S1E had failed in its mission to bring down trespassing aircraft, Moscow hastened Thursday, Sept 6, to officially deny selling these systems to Syria or Iran and called on Israel to respect international law. This was diplomatic-speak for a warning against attacking the Russian-made missiles batteries stations where Soviet Russian instructors are working alongside Syrian teams.

Western intelligence circles maintain that it is vital for the US and Israel to establish the location and gauge the effectiveness of Pantsyr-S1E air defenses in Syrian and Iranian hands, as well as discovering how many each received. They estimate that at least three or four batteries of the first batch of ten were shipped to Iran to boost its air defense arsenal; another 50 are thought to be on the way, of which Syria will keep 36.

The purported Israeli air force flights over the Pantsyr-S1E site established that the new Russian missiles, activated for the first time in the Middle East, are effective and dangerous but can be disarmed. Western military sources attribute to those Israeli or other air force planes superior electronics for jamming the Russian missile systems, but stress nonetheless that they were extremely lucky to get away unharmed, or at worst, with damage minor enough for a safe return to base.

The courage, daring and operational skills of the air crews must have been exceptional. They would have needed to spend enough time in hostile Syrian air space to execute several passes at varying altitudes under fire in order to test the Pantsyr-S1E responses. Their success demonstrated to Damascus and Tehran that their expensive new Russian anti-air system leaves them vulnerable.
"This has been a test of the anti-Pantsyr jamming system. Had this been a real Zionist air raid, Damascus would be burning. I repeat, this was only a test. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming"
And oh, by the way - thanks for activating those systems. I think we got all the signatures we need but if not, we'll be back.

We may be back in any case. Sleep tight!

And how much did you pay Putin for that stuff, anyway?
Dunno, ask the Iranians ...
Washington like Jerusalem withheld comment in the immediate aftermath of the episode. After its original disclosure, Damascus too is holding silent. Western intelligence sources believe the Syrians in consultation with the Russians and Tehran are weighing action to gain further media mileage from the incident. They may decide to exhibit some of the “ammunition” dropped by the Israeli aircraft as proof of Israel’s contempt for international law. A military response may come next.

Pantsir-S1 or Panzir (“Shell" in English) is a short-range, mobile air defense system, combining two 30mm anti-aircraft guns and 12 surface-to-air missiles which can fire on the move. It can simultaneously engage two separate targets at 12 targets per minute, ranging from fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters, ballistic and cruise missiles, precision-guided munitions and unmanned air vehicles. It can also engage light-armored ground targets.

The Pantsyr S1 short-range air defense system is designed to provide point defense of key military and industrial facilities and air defense support for military units during air and ground operations. The integrated missile and gun armament creates an uninterrupted engagement zone of 18 to 20 km in range and of up to 10 km in altitude. Immunity to jamming is promised via a common multimode and multi-spectral radar and optical control system. The combined missile and artillery capability makes the Russian system the most advanced air defense system in the world. Syria and Iran believe it provides the best possible protection against American or Israeli air and missile attack. Stationed in al Hamma, at the meeting point of the Syrian-Jordanian and Israeli borders, the missileÂ’s detection range of 30 km takes in all of IsraelÂ’s northern air force bases.
Posted by:lotp

#7  badanov...that was splendid!! :)

Posted by: Justrand   2007-09-08 10:53  

#6  Why did we retire the F-111 Ravens? Does the E-6B(?) fill the gap?
Posted by: Free Radical   2007-09-08 09:17  

#5  Mike K - you old softie!
Posted by: Frank G   2007-09-08 09:10  

#4  Warranty phone call:

Russian Factory Warrenty rep (RFWR): This is Ivan, Makdonaldski Dooglasko Defense Missile Systems. How may I help you?

Mamoud Al Akbar( Syrian Al Lockheedi Defense Systems): Yeah, uh, Ivan, we have a little problem with your missile system?

RFWR: I need your name, your company name, your missile model number and serial number and the warranty number, as well as your receipt number.

MAA: ( AFter giving the requested info ) It seems our radars were jammed by an enemy probe of our air defenses.

RFWR: Did you buy the extended warranty package as well as the anti-jamming option?

MAA: Yes, we did and we aren't too happy with this missile system's performance. We would like to discuss a return.

RFWR: All sales are final: No refunds. No returns.

MAA: But we're now vulnerable to air attack from the Zionists!

RFWR: We do offer an upgrade which we warrant really will be jam proof.

MAA: But what about this warranty?

RFWR It is valid with the upgrade.

MAA: Why do I have to upgrade to get a jam proof system?

RFWR: Because it is included in the warranty. In the event it doesn't work, you must buy an upgrade so we can warrant against failure.

MAA: What if the upgrade doesn't work?

RFWR: It will work because it is warranted against failure.

MAA: But what if the upgrade doesn't work?

RFWR: Then you must buy an upgrade.

MAA: ( Hangs up )

Posted by: badanov   2007-09-08 08:51  

#3  Joe,

As an old B-52 guy, I like the way you think. Brought a tear to my eye.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski   2007-09-08 08:48  

#2  interesting....nice of the eager Syrian/Soviet crews to show that Iran strikes can be done
Posted by: Frank G   2007-09-08 07:35  

#1  When hi-tech is unreliable, send in eight Cold War-era bombers wid Cold war-era ALCMS for saturation point massed attack, sans/minus US ABL???
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2007-09-08 00:54  

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