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Iraq
Controversial Osprey aircraft deployed to Iraq
2007-09-20
It will nice to be able to cover longer distances, to haul butt to where troops and supplies are needed, and to go fast enough to make it very difficult to hit with an RPG. With this factored in, it may be safer than any troop-ferrying helicopter out there during combat operations.

But I understand there are some weak areas, like the power shafts to the turboprops and failures in complicated hydraulic lines. Anyone else know anything about this and if they have the problems truly solved yet?


WASHINGTON - The first combat squadron of tilt-rotor V-22 Ospreys has been quietly deployed to Iraq, ushering a new form of aerial technology into 21st Century warfare.

A Marine Corps aviation squadron and 10 Ospreys left for Iraq on Monday aboard the U.S.S. Wasp, a small Navy aircraft carrier known as an amphibious assault ship, said Marine Corps spokesman Maj. Eric Dent.

The departure from the New River Marine Corps Air Station near Jacksonville, N.C., was made under extremely tight security with no advance notice to the news media and no ceremonial speeches by Marine Corps officials. "It was just another workday for the squadron," Dent said.

Marine Medium Tiltrotor Squadron 263, nicknamed "The Thunder Chickens," will be based at the Al Asad Airbase in western Iraq for at least seven months of combat operations. The Marine Corps Ospreys, known as MV-22s, will be used to ferry Marines as well as cargo throughout predominately Sunni Muslim Anbar province.
Hopefully the enemy won't hear that nickname. If they do, they better start painting sharks teeth on them or something.
Dent, citing "operational security," offered only limited details about the deployment and said he was not allowed to discuss the timetable of the trip or scheduled arrival in Iraq. The V-22s, which, in military-speak can "self-deploy" into war zones, could conceivably leave the Wasp en route and make the rest of the journey by air.

The deployment marks a long-sought goal after three-decades of tilt-rotor technology that began with the development and flight of Bell Helicopter's XV-15 prototype in the 1970s. Fort Worth -based Bell is manufacturing the Osprey with Boeing Helicopters of Ridley Township, Pa.

The aircraft, which flies like an airplane and lands and takes off like a helicopter, reaches speeds and distances well beyond that of traditional helicopters and is considered far more agile than the aging CH-46 "Sea Knight" helicopters that it s replacing.
Can/should they stick a gun out the side like a Huey?
But the Osprey's entry into combat will be under intense scrutiny after years of controversy that included delays, steadily rising costs and two fatal crashes in 2000 that nearly led to the program's cancellation.

Critics say the tilt-rotor concept is still unproven and could endanger the lives of its crewmembers in combat.
Nothing is ever proven in combat until you use it so I guess by this logic we will never be able to introduce new equipment. The idea is solid, but the implementation is difficult. It would be interesting to see which aircraft critics would prefer to ride in themselves to fly across Baghdad on a bad day.
Supporters say it is ideal for combat and will enable Marines to get into hot spots faster and more safely.

The aircraft has provided years of employment at Bell's plants in Texas, where about 1,700 employees manufacture major Osprey components at Grand Prairie and Hurst, near Dallas. The aircraft is assembled by up to 800 workers at another Bell plant in Amarillo.

Bell-Boeing spokesman Bob Leder, based in Amarillo, said workers weren't aware that their handiwork was on its way to Iraq until he posted a copy of a Marine Corps Times article about the deployment.

"There was a feeling of great excitement and at the same time we were praying for the safety of all the Marines," Leder said. "It's like 'OK, this is the real thing.'"

Dent said that "just under 100" members of the squadron were deployed along with the aircraft after training for the mission for more than a year.

The Thunder Chickens' 28 pilots, including two women, volunteered and were chosen by a Marine Corps selection board.

The squadron commander is Lt. Col. Paul J. Rock Jr., who has been flying Ospreys since the 1990s. At least a third of the squadron has had previous combat experience in Iraq.
Posted by:gorb

#13  If it doesn't then you all can point your fingers and laugh, 'kay?
Posted by: Pappy   2007-09-20 22:32  

#12  WHat are the advantages of this thing?

If it works, a big if, then it will beahve like a fixed wing except at laning take-off and that means much highrer speed, far less fuel use, a lot more range and higher payload than a helicopter all while being able to land where fixed wing planes can't.

If it works.
Posted by: JFM   2007-09-20 18:03  

#11  "Marine aviation... always has been a lingering question or two in thinking men's minds."

Guess we can leave Army out of that then.

No wait - they can hold a question. Or two.
Posted by: Daffy Elmomoque5453   2007-09-20 16:00  

#10  WHat are the advantages of this thing? You still have to go into Helo-mode to insert. When you're getting people out, won't the thing already be out of the danger zone by the time it elevates and switches back to plane-mode?
Posted by: Free Radical   2007-09-20 15:43  

#9  The props are directly connected to their respective engine; the cross wing torque shaft is to provide power to a prop if / when an engine fails. i think there is limited flight capability on one engine, but due to the diameter of the props, it might be a bit tricky to sucessfully transistion them to some semblence of helicopter mode for the landing, i am picturing a roto-tiller-like event in that instance.
i think a bigger problem is going to be sand intrusion into the complicated fold-by-wire system: the props fold, and the wing pivots over the fuselage for shipboard storage and it is all controlled via the computer.
like an earlier poster said: bring on the Sea Knight.
Posted by: USN, Ret.   2007-09-20 14:25  

#8  I like the name "The Thunder Chickens". It is right up there with "The Puking Dogs" fighter squadron.
Posted by: SteveS   2007-09-20 13:45  

#7  Marine aviation... always has been a lingering question or two in thinking men's minds.
Posted by: Besoeker   2007-09-20 12:55  

#6  The thing you don't want to do is switch modes low to the ground.

Actually, this can be done, but only once.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-09-20 12:02  

#5  JFM,
Actually it is not quite that bad. You can switch to helicopter mode outside of the ZL and then come in like a helicopter, or if wind conditions are right, make the switch high above ground fire and then come down.

The thing you don't want to do is switch modes low to the ground.

Al
Posted by: Frozen Al   2007-09-20 10:33  

#4  The Osprey is living proof of that old addage:

"Every man has a theory that will not work."
Posted by: Zenster   2007-09-20 10:22  

#3  The deployment marks a long-sought goal after three-decades of tilt-rotor technology that began with the development and flight of Bell Helicopter's XV-15 prototype in the 1970s. Fort Worth -based Bell is manufacturing the Osprey with Boeing Helicopters of Ridley Township, Pa.

Ah..em...
In my photo lib I have versions of this concept got back before WW-II. It has always been a turkey.
Posted by: 3dc   2007-09-20 09:46  

#2  From distant memories the problem with the Osprey is that transition from plane to helicopter mode and viceversa is aerodynamically very tricky (ie pray for no sudden wind gust) and the Osprey cannot do any maneuvering during it. Ie it is a sitting duck. In other words it cannot indert troops when there bad guys in the zone.
Posted by: JFM   2007-09-20 08:46  

#1  30 years to get this thing working? I know it has been grounded several times for mechanical failure crashes in training - I think I'd rather ride the Sea Knight myself.
Posted by: Glenmore   2007-09-20 07:37  

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