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Home Front: Politix
Hildebeast Says She'd Negotiate With Iran
2007-10-12
CANTERBURY, N.H. (AP) - Hillary Rodham Clinton called Barack Obama naive when he said he'd meet with the leaders of Iran without precondition. Now she says she'd do the same thing, too.
Flip.
During a Democratic presidential debate in July, Obama said he would be willing to meet without precondition in the first year of his presidency with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea.
Flop.
Standing with him on stage, Clinton said she would first send envoys to test the waters and called Obama's position irresponsible and naive.

But asked about it Thursday by a voter, the New York senator said twice that she, too, would negotiate with Iran ``with no conditions.'' ``I would engage in negotiations with Iran, with no conditions, because we don't really understand how Iran works. We think we do, from the outside, but I think that is misleading,'' she said at an apple orchard.
We understand the basics. Iran is a thugocracry with religious thugs in charge. They're stealing pretty much everything that isn't nailed down. They're running the economy for their own benefit. They're putting their trusted lackeys, friends and children in charge of everything. They're keeping their people in line with brutal repression and increasingly hysterical threats of outsiders coming to invade their country. Did I miss anything important?
She characterized her recent vote to label Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist organization as a way to gain leverage for those negotiations.

Obama and other rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination have been criticizing Clinton's vote late last month in favor of the resolution, comparing it to her 2002 vote authorizing the war in Iraq. They have suggested that the Iran vote was the first step toward a military invasion there.
Not necessarily an invasion, but they finally got one right: it is indeed a step on the road to the use of force. And getting near time to do it.
Posted by:Steve White

#19  No surprise here. Just like her husband. A man who'd have sex w/a snake if he could find someone to hold its head.
Posted by: Broadhead6   2007-10-12 22:30  

#18  Hillary's talk about negotiating without preconditions will seem relatively harmless to many voters Iran.

Fixed.
Posted by: Mike N.   2007-10-12 20:34  

#17  Lest we fergit, and whether for or againt him as a US voter or citizen, BILL CLINTON himself disavows any responsibility for the US economy of the 1990's + admits to being POTUS by elex fraud. "Tis why the Dems could NOT claim any credit for Amer's prosperity during the Clinton 90's.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2007-10-12 20:08  

#16  it's obviously photoshopped. Hildabeast would NEVER be the submissive
Posted by: Frank G   2007-10-12 19:17  

#15  moose, where did you get that pic? LOL.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305   2007-10-12 19:05  

#14  Anymoose, I worry that she is going to bite through the restraining straps someday.
Posted by: JohnQC   2007-10-12 17:46  

#13  Negotiating with Iran with the present regime would seem to be a waste of time. How about a regime change with some regime that is not nuts?
Posted by: JohnQC   2007-10-12 17:44  

#12  Excellent post, Ricky bin Ricardo.

Mikey, ju got sum esplaning to dooooo.....
Posted by: mcsegeek1   2007-10-12 14:38  

#11  Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
Posted by: Anonymoose   2007-10-12 14:33  

#10  Make no mistake - she's a Chomskyite radical leftist who thinks Amerikkka is steeped in evil and must be removed from the world stage. If she gets elected, look for her to be Stalin at home and Neville Chamberlain overseas.

"But, Ricky, I wanna be on the show!"
Posted by: Hillary Clinton   2007-10-12 13:33  

#9  Nice summary, Ricky. That's a keeper!
Posted by: BA   2007-10-12 13:05  

#8  #5 Mike Sylwester:

Hillary's a centrist like I (@ 5' 9" and 200-too-damn-much) take my bike for a little jaunt up the Alpe d' Huez every morning before breakfast. Make no mistake - she's a Chomskyite radical leftist who thinks Amerikkka is steeped in evil and must be removed from the world stage. If she gets elected, look for her to be Stalin at home and Neville Chamberlain overseas.
Posted by: Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo)   2007-10-12 09:47  

#7  He supported the death penalty, welfare reform, a balanced budget and many other positions that put him at odds with the Democratic Party's left wing.

Caution, revisionist history 101 at work.

Clinton objected to welfare reform till the Trunks got power in Congress and the polls demonstrated that the general public favored reform . He then switched his tune and coopted the movement. The initiative was the Trunks not Willy‘s.

With the Trunks in their initial years in Congress holding to the old standard of controlled spending, the President had no alternative other than to cut back spending requests. Both parties did so at the cost to military readiness as they both drew down the active Army from 750,000 to just under 500,000. It’s something in the wake of the whining and bitching about ‘not enough soldiers’, I wouldn’t want to bring up if I were them.

He did join the Trunks in pushing NAFTA, against the wishes of his general party membership, which at the time we didn’t understand meant the importation of several million helots laborers. Then, again, the Donks traditionally are fond of plantations, real or virtual, so it wasn’t really that hard of a fit. It has since exposed many of the Trunks as betrayers of the founding principles of their party.

What the record shows is that Clinton understands how to obtain and retain power. It show no values much beyond that because the record is rife with inconsistency and political tap dancing [no Craig reference intended]. Sell your bridge elsewhere.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2007-10-12 09:42  

#6  GOD they are all idiots. and i don't give a shit what anyone thinks about this comment if this nation is stupid enopugh too elect a muslim i'm moving
Posted by: sinse   2007-10-12 07:42  

#5  Bill Clinton won two Presidential elections by running in the in the center of the USA's political spectrum. Within the Democratic Party, he is far into its right wing. He supported the death penalty, welfare reform, a balanced budget and many other positions that put him at odds with the Democratic Party's left wing.

Hillary Clinton is similar, and that is why she has a strong potential to win the Presidential elections in 2008 and 2012.

On the issue of Iraq in particular and national security in general, Hillary Clinton is most definitely in the Party's right wing. That puts her in the middle of the USA's political spectrum.

She has flip-flopped on Iraq, but so has a large portion of the public. Many people supported our invasion initially and then turned against it and now are granting it a favorable reconsideration. Therefore many voters in the decisive middle of the electorate will identify with her easily.

With regard to our policy toward Iran, much of the public is alarmed by talk and indications that the USA might bomb or even invade that country too. Compared to that possiblity, Hillary's talk about negotiating without preconditions will seem relatively harmless to many voters, especially to those who are wobbly on our invasion of Iraq.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester   2007-10-12 07:24  

#4  Steve,
"They're stealing pretty much everything that isn't nailed down. They're running the economy for their own benefit. They're putting their trusted lackeys, friends and children in charge of everything."
Up to this point they sound a lot like our own government, don't they?
Posted by: Glenmore   2007-10-12 07:04  

#3  I bitterly hate to agree with this wench, but she's dead right about Obama being "naive and stupid." She just conveniently left off the "stupid." As far as die Hildebeast "negociating" or making a deal with Iran, well, quite honestly, deal making and compromise are a way of life with the Clintons, a survival method, a raison d'être. The phrase "we don't really know how Iran works" conveys her own shallow understanding of the threat. Who is "we".... foreign policy advisor Sandy Berger and die Hildebest? Wahhahhaha.
Posted by: Besoeker   2007-10-12 07:01  

#2  we don't really understand how Iran works. We think we do, from the outside, but I think that is misleading

do you really think the Smartest Woman In The World™ meant "we" in any part of that sentence? "You lesser dipshits" must not have polled well, but that's what she meant
Posted by: Frank G   2007-10-12 06:04  

#1  What is it going to take for these fìckwits to understand that there is no negotiating with Muslims? One merely need examine the history of all Palestinian negotiations with Israel and the Quartet to understand this. To even think it is possible goes so far beyond naive as to be dangerous. In some respects this is yet one more byproduct of Bush's tragic failure to adequately use propaganda. By now, the general American public should be so aware of taqiyya and kitman that even hinting at negotiations with Iran would evoke nothing but scorn and derision. Had this vital groundwork already been laid, there would also be a far more developed comprehension of why military conflict with Iran is a foregone conclusion.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-10-12 00:26  

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