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| 2007-10-18 | |||
| Mexican soldiers and civilian smugglers engaged in an armed standoff with nearly 30 American law enforcement officials on the southern U.S. border, according to Texas police and the FBI. At a spot more than 200 yards inside the U.S., Mexican Army troops set up several mounted machine guns when U.S. Border Patrol agents called for backup Monday, the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin of Ontario, Calif., reported.
"It's been so bred into everyone not to start an international incident with Mexico that it's been going on for years," Doyal told the Daily Bulletin. "When you're up against mounted machine guns, what can you do? Who wants to pull the trigger first? Certainly not us." Confirming the afternoon encounter, FBI spokeswoman Andrea Simmons told the paper, "Bad guys in three vehicles ended up on the border. People with Humvees, who appeared to be with the Mexican Army, were involved with the three vehicles in getting them back across." Deputies captured one vehicle and found 1,477 pounds of marijuana inside, according to Doyal, who added Mexican soldiers set fire to one of the Humvees stuck in the river. Such incidents are common, Doyal told the Daily Bulletin. Last November, his deputies were called on to back up agents from the Fort Hancock border patrol station in Texas after confronting more than six fully armed men dressed in Mexican military uniforms. Armed with machine guns, the men were trying to bring more than three tons of marijuana across the border in military vehicles. Doyal insisted the federal government must do something about the incursions, pointing out the deputies and border agents are not equipped for combat. But Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff today played down the reports of Mexican military incursions, suggesting many could have been mistakes or criminals dressed in military garb. Last week, Mexican officials denied their military made any incursions.
But border agents contend otherwise. "We're sitting ducks," said one who spoke to the Daily Bulletin on condition of anonymity. "The government has our hands tied." As WND reported in February 2006, an American law enforcement officer and news crew in Hudspeth County, Texas, witnessed an armed incursion into the U.S. by men dressed in Mexican army attire, the second such incident in two weeks. Mexican officials have said their military is forbidden from traveling within three miles of the border, though U.S. border residents repeatedly have spotted mobile patrols of Mexican military units traversing roads that run directly parallel to the international boundary. Mexico says the armed men crossing into the U.S. are paramilitary forces loyal to drug-smuggling cartels.
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| Posted by:anonymous5089 |
| #43 I am going to start a fence business down here, too. Apply to put up that fence. Gonna call it Alamo Fence Company. |
| Posted by: Cramp B. Hayes6093 2007-10-18 21:50 |
| #42 This happened in Texas. Send in the Texas Rangers. Just like they did a hundred years ago when we had problems with Meskins down here. |
| Posted by: Cramp B. Hayes6093 2007-10-18 21:47 |
| #41 viking ryyken, 50 mm is 5 centimeters or just a tad under 2 inches. That is one king hell sniper rifle! |
| Posted by: SteveS 2007-10-18 19:57 |
| #40 canuk sniper.....apparently they hardly have any recoil and can fire multiple shots quickly while not losing the target too much. |
| Posted by: viking ryyken 2007-10-18 19:02 |
| #39 Fred's been fiddling with the software, and any and all of that stuff is apt to change as far as I know. |
| Posted by: Dave D. 2007-10-18 18:09 |
| #38 Trolls show up in the sinktrap until they're PL'd don't they? |
| Posted by: Nimble Spemble 2007-10-18 18:07 |
| #37 Same thing, AFAIK. |
| Posted by: Dave D. 2007-10-18 18:03 |
| #36 So what's the difference between being pooplisted and being designated a troll? |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2007-10-18 17:59 |
| #35 "Do I understand correctly that so long as Mr. Katsaris is pooplisted, his comments are visible only to him?" No. Troll 753433 (his official designation since being PL'd) can't see his comments any more than you can. That he keeps on posting them is kinda bogglesome, when you think about it... |
| Posted by: Dave D. 2007-10-18 17:51 |
| #34 #13 50mm sniper rifles??????? I REALLY wanna get me one of them!!! Of course, the recoil might be a bit much. . . . .but the effects would be GREAT!!!! |
| Posted by: Canuckistan sniper 2007-10-18 17:48 |
| #33 I went to his blog to see if he's posting them there. Nope. And that's the problem. He doesn't have anything to really say; he just wants to be disruptive. It will be interesting to see how long he keeps trying to post. If the definition of insanity is repeatedly doing the same thing and expecting a different result... |
| Posted by: Nimble Spemble 2007-10-18 17:44 |
| #32 When you make the pooplist your comments vanish into the ether, seen by no one. Sure hope Aris kept a copy. AoS. |
| Posted by: Steve White 2007-10-18 17:32 |
| #31 #30 Do I understand correctly that so long as Mr. Katsaris is pooplisted, his comments are visible only to him? yes, TW, but he has always been his own biggest fan, so no loss Kinda cool though, when you think about it. Outside, look'n in. Screaming his lungs out to no avail. Sort of a Twilight Zone version of hell. |
| Posted by: Gabby Cussworth 2007-10-18 17:26 |
| #30 Do I understand correctly that so long as Mr. Katsaris is pooplisted, his comments are visible only to him? yes, TW, but he has always been his own biggest fan, so no loss |
| Posted by: Frank G 2007-10-18 17:03 |
| #29 [Aris Katsaris has been pooplisted.] |
| Posted by: Aris Katsaris 2007-10-18 16:41 |
| #28 Do I understand correctly that so long as Mr. Katsaris is pooplisted, his comments are visible only to him? |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2007-10-18 16:38 |
| #27 If the government was serious about stopping it, they could. Then how come there's drugs in prison? Or is the government not serious about stopping countraband there, either? |
| Posted by: Nimble Spemble 2007-10-18 16:34 |
| #26 [Aris Katsaris has been pooplisted.] |
| Posted by: Aris Katsaris 2007-10-18 16:32 |
| #25 "If this has been going on for a while, it's because Bush is ok with it." I've said as much myself before. The drug problem is the same as illegal immigration. If the government was serious about stopping it, they could. All the solutions you good Rantburgers have offered here could be easily brought to bear and yet they are not. The problem is that too many people are making too much money from it. Is it any surprise? If the cheap labor from illegal aliens is enough to corrupt them, how much more corrupting would be the fabulous amounts of lucre from the drug trade? I took a lot heat here yesterday for wondering if I could vote for Giuliani against Hillary. But this is the problem I have unless Giuliani promises in no uncertain terms to disavow amnesty and to secure the damn border. What good is it to win in Iraq if we lose our own country? |
| Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-10-18 16:24 |
| #24 CW2? |
| Posted by: JohnQC 2007-10-18 15:27 |
| #23 SR-71.. So? |
| Posted by: Throger Thains8048 2007-10-18 13:21 |
| #22 Bull$hit "One of the most salient features of our culture is that there is so much bullshit. Everyone knows this. Each of us contributes his share. But we tend to take the situation for granted. Most people are rather confident of their ability to recognize bullshit and to avoid being taken in by it. So the phenomenon has not aroused much deliberate concern, or attracted much sustained inquiry. In consequence, we have no clear understanding of what bullshit is, why there is so much of it, or what functions it serves. One who is concerned to report or to conceal the facts assumes that there are indeed facts that are in some way both determinate and knowable. His interest in telling the truth or in lying presupposes that there is a difference between getting things wrong and getting them right, and that it is at least occasionally possible to tell the difference. Someone who ceases to believe in the possibility of identifying certain statements as true and others as false can have only two alternatives. The first is to desist both from efforts to tell the truth and from efforts to deceive. This would mean refraining from making any assertion whatever about the facts. The second alternative is to continue making assertions that purport to describe the way things are but that cannot be anything except bullshit." " |
| Posted by: SR-71 2007-10-18 13:08 |
| #21 Blackwater anyone? |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2007-10-18 12:44 |
| #20 What's it going to take until something is done by the U.S.? A successful conclusion of CW2. |
| Posted by: Laurence of the Rats 2007-10-18 12:32 |
| #19 ...At a spot more than 200 yards inside the U.S., Mexican Army troops set up several mounted machine guns It is an invading force. Treat them as such. These greed based narco-terrorists are as bad as the religion fueled muslim terrorists. Drugs are destroying this country. What's it going to take until something is done by the U.S.? |
| Posted by: JohnQC 2007-10-18 12:19 |
| #18 plz add my outrage to the list, absoulutely outrageous.. we've been betrayed by Bush and his cronies big time.. If both Bill Clinton and GW Bush owned a Feed Lot and sold Bull Shit for a living instead of making a living in US politics, Americans would have been better off. |
| Posted by: Red Dawg 2007-10-18 12:16 |
| #17 Eventually this is going to turn into a shooting incident, with casualties, followed by a desperate attempt the the US government to hush it up. Only when a bunch of US civilians are gunned down by Mexican Army personnel is there going to be a response, unless some US citizens with sniper rifles take down an entire Mexican Army unit inside the US. |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2007-10-18 11:48 |
| #16 I told Mr. Wife about it this morning, and he commented, "If this has been going on for a while, it's because Bush is ok with it." Definitely photos and video, whether on YouTube or forwarded to the entire address book, and the border states will vote for whichever candidate most believably promises to stop it. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2007-10-18 11:40 |
| #15 I like the AC-130 solution. |
| Posted by: 3dc 2007-10-18 11:31 |
| #14 or, shaped charges convienently placed around their favorite entry points. |
| Posted by: traveller 2007-10-18 10:58 |
| #13 50mm sniper rifles, alot of em |
| Posted by: traveller 2007-10-18 10:57 |
| #12 Oh, and where is our fence, senior Bush? Oh yea, you are getting it with a reach around from our "friends" down south and can't get to it. Washington elite asshats. |
| Posted by: DarthVader 2007-10-18 10:41 |
| #11 Call in a AC-130. Make short work of 'em. |
| Posted by: DarthVader 2007-10-18 10:40 |
| #10 Fences and LAAWS make for good neighbors. |
| Posted by: ed 2007-10-18 10:14 |
| #9 "When you're up against mounted machine guns, what can you do? Combined arms doctrine says airstrikes, armor or artillery. I rather suspect the sonic boommage from a fighter making a low pass with afterburner cranked would quickly change the tactical situation without a single shot being fired. |
| Posted by: SteveS 2007-10-18 10:09 |
| #8 Nimble Spemble: Reapers were my first thought too. Can you imagine the heads exploding if the US Army set up machine guns 200 yards on the Mexican side of the border? What the hell is wrong with us? |
| Posted by: Excalibur 2007-10-18 09:03 |
| #7 Mexico says the armed men crossing into the U.S. are paramilitary forces loyal to drug-smuggling cartels. So in the near future, when they're just a pile of burnt cinder on the northern side of the Rio, there'll be no repercussions, cause you know that they're really not part of the official Mexican government. Even if there are a few more empty billets back in the Mexican Army base south of the border. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2007-10-18 08:54 |
| #6 I agree with RC. Get some video on the web and the news! Once the American people SEE it for themselves, maybe, just maybe, our government will freaking do something about it. We can't put our police officers in danger like that. They aren't equipped to deal with a military force. Arrrrrgggggh. This really makes my blood boil. |
| Posted by: AllahHateMe 2007-10-18 08:44 |
| #5 1. Get video. 2. Post to YouTube. 3. Post to all the other video-sharing sites, since YouTube will likely yank it as "hate". 4. Pass the video around to as many people as possible. |
| Posted by: Rob Crawford 2007-10-18 08:09 |
| #4 Fort Bliss is right there. Plenty of combat-experienced folks are usually around training more folks for combat experience. Neely's Crossing would be a much shorter commute that Iraq. I believe the place (Fort Bliss) was Gen. Pershing's base for defending America against analagous threats nearly 100 years ago. |
| Posted by: Glenmore 2007-10-18 07:32 |
| #3 Where's the video? These stories have no impact if they don't have video. Some good action shots and it would be in red on the Drudge Report. Otherwise, just wring your hands boys. |
| Posted by: Penguin 2007-10-18 07:10 |
| #2 "When you're up against mounted machine guns, what can you do? Have the FAC call in Reapers. |
| Posted by: Nimble Spemble 2007-10-18 06:47 |
| #1 Mexico says the armed men crossing into the U.S. are paramilitary forces loyal to drug-smuggling cartels. Those and the Mexican Army are one and the same. |
| Posted by: gromky 2007-10-18 05:31 |