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Air Force Grounds F-15 Fleet on Safety Concerns
2007-11-06
Nov. 5 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Air Force temporarily grounded its fleet of Boeing Co. F-15 fighter-bombers, including those flying missions in Afghanistan, the service said, citing ``airworthiness concerns.''

The grounding of more than 700 aircraft, which includes F- 15E fighter-bombers that carry the largest U.S. precision guided weapons, took place after the crash of a Missouri Air National Guard F-15C fighter on Nov. 2. The Air Force said in a press release Sunday that it was suspending only ``non-mission critical flight operations'' while a safety board determines the cause. The service in a statement tonight said it broadened its actions to a worldwide grounding of F-15s that includes bases in England, Hawaii, Japan and the Middle East.

``All F-15 aircraft have been grounded, not just non-mission critical flight ops,'' the Air Force said. ``The grounding will remain in effect until conclusions are made'' by the safety investigation, the service said. Aircraft assigned to Afghanistan and patrols over U.S. airspace will be on ground alert in case of a major emergency, the service said. Lieutenant General Gary North, who commands U.S. Middle East aviation forces, said in a statement that in spite of the F-15 groundings the Air Force ``will accomplish all assigned missions'' in Afghanistan ``with a variety of fighter, attack and bomber aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles.''

The F-15, introduced in 1975, is no longer in production. The plane is the primary U.S. air-to-air fighter, and the ``E'' model is capable of carrying the largest laser-guided bombs. ``When they say all the F-15s are grounded that means America's top-of-the-line fighter is not flying,'' said Loren Thompson, a defense analyst with the Arlington, Virginia-based Lexington Institute. ``The F-15 is getting so old that we could endanger our global air superiority'' because of advances in Russian and Chinese fighter planes, Thompson said.

The U.S. is phasing out the F-15 with the new Lockheed Martin Corp. F-22 fighter. The Pentagon has limited the Air Force to buying 183 of the new aircraft instead of the more than 300 the service says it needs. The F-15 groundings and focus on the extent of its aging may buttress the case for more F-22s, Thompson said. ``This is going to force the Pentagon to rethink how many F- 22s it wants to replace the F-15,'' Thompson said.
Posted by:Steve White

#17  PS: snark away!
Posted by: lotp   2007-11-06 20:19  

#16  ;-)

Seriously, most folks don't realize just how much we overworked our planes & pilots enforcing Saddam's nofly bit. The air force academy had trouble filling faculty positions with rated officers for a number of years because the pilots kept being sent to duty there or in the balkans.
Posted by: lotp   2007-11-06 20:15  

#15  Can't even be snarky any more? You're getting tough teach.

P. S. They weren't all on No-Fly were they?
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2007-11-06 20:03  

#14  NS IIRC the F-15s racked up a LOT of airtime during the no fly zone enforcement days pre 9/11. Planes and pilots both suffered some metal fatigue ....
Posted by: lotp   2007-11-06 20:00  

#13  'Flight of the Intruder' was a pretty good movie, and really sets the time frame for how long the A-6 was in service.

Of course the venerable UH-1 (Huey) continues to serve after 44 years (in upgraded versions HERE, but older ones are still flying elsewhere).

Then there's the C-47 - last I heard some were still flying in Africa and South America and I don't even think they've BUILT any in about 60 years.
Posted by: Glenmore   2007-11-06 19:49  

#12  Appropriation vote on the F-22 must be coming up.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2007-11-06 18:31  

#11  and then there is this from Newsmax:http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/old_Air_force/2007/11/06/47113.html
Posted by: USN,Ret.   2007-11-06 17:41  

#10  Glenmore; yes it is and is suffering the same wing fatigue as my much loved Intruders. by 2013 they will all be retired, replaced by the (spit) EF-18G ( Growler, aka Electric Lawn Dart)
Posted by: USN,Ret.   2007-11-06 16:47  

#9  I believe the Prowler variant of the A-6 (EA-6B electronic warfare platform) is still in service.
Posted by: Glenmore   2007-11-06 15:54  

#8  When the A6E Intruders started showing wing fatigue ( after VA-128 lost a wing over a bombing range) all a/c were grounded for inspections. cracks were detected and fixes created, and the birds flew for several more years, but maintenace manhours went through the roof due to increased inspection requirements. Did not lose another bird to a failed wing however. The USAF will work through this problem and the Eagles will be in the air again soon.
Posted by: USN,Ret.   2007-11-06 15:17  

#7  So there was a problem with the F-15C. What was the age of that particular airframe? When were the last F-15E's built? I don't think that long ago, unless I am very mistaken. You have to think that there is some "we really need to replace all these planes" pressure going on here, but I am not one to make any determination about this.
Posted by: remoteman   2007-11-06 13:21  

#6  Saw a picture of the wreckage...looks like the right V-stab was not present. Structural failure related to age, in-flight cyclic stress? Losing a stabilizer in flight is a quick way to ruin your day, glad the pilot got out. Go go ACES-2.
Posted by: Scotty   2007-11-06 11:47  

#5  If the problem cannot be addressed in a timely fashion are these numbers sufficient to forestall an attack to remove Iran's nuclear program? Does anyone know if the Israeli's have grounded their F-15s?
Posted by: Excalibur   2007-11-06 10:23  

#4  It's the Haliburton Death Ray.
Posted by: wxjames   2007-11-06 10:00  

#3  Reported on the radio this morning as "all jets" were grounded after a plane "disintegrated" in flight.


At one point some near new Spitfires desintegrated in flight. It was found they were unstable longitudinally and that stressed the cell. Adding a few pounds of weight in the right place solved the problem.

Of course it could be that the F15 airframes are showing their age.
Posted by: JFM   2007-11-06 08:58  

#2  So is it really a safety concern behind the grounding? Or a bit of salesmanship for the F-22? Or some of each?
Posted by: Glenmore   2007-11-06 08:40  

#1  Reported on the radio this morning as "all jets" were grounded after a plane "disintegrated" in flight.

Well, it is a more exiting story, that way.
Posted by: Bobby   2007-11-06 06:49  

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