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Ray gun may be used in Iraq next year
2007-11-07
There's no doubt this oversized ray gun can deliver the heat. The question is, how soon can the weapon, which neither kills nor maims, be delivered to Iraq?

At a rain-soaked demonstration of the crowd-dispersal tool here last month, military officials said one could be deployed early next year. But others still need to be built and undergo more testing before being shipped, a slow-going process at odds with urgent demands from U.S. commanders for the device.

The Active Denial System uses energy beams instead of bullets and lets soldiers break up unruly crowds without guns.

That means fewer civilian casualties, a key ingredient to success in Iraq.

The system just completed a lengthy demonstration phase and is expected to receive a $25 million boost once Congress approves an Iraq war supplemental spending bill. The money will be used to buy five "Silent Guardians," a commercial version of the denial system built by defense contractor Raytheon.

"The systems themselves could be manufactured, more than likely, within 12 months if everything goes according to what Raytheon tells us," said Marine Corps Col. Kirk Hymes, director of the Defense Department's Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate.

To be hit by the invisible beam is to feel the intense heat of a suddenly opened furnace. The instant reaction is to move.

At Quantico, a Marine Corps base south of Washington, a test unit mounted on a Humvee stung reporters and military personnel who volunteered to enter a circle marked by orange traffic cones.

The system is a directed-energy device, although not a laser or a microwave, and can send an invisible beam of waves to a target as far away as 500 yards.

With the unit mounted on the back of a vehicle, U.S. troops can operate a safe distance from rocks, Molotov cocktails and small-arms fire.

The beam penetrates the skin slightly, just enough to cause intense pain. The beam goes through clothing as well as windows, but can be blocked by metal, wood or concrete.
Posted by:GolfBravoUSMC

#11  I might add that even WWII German panzerfaust experts preferred to wait in shell holes for a Russian tank to pass by and stick it in their ear. Some of those NCOs had 30 tank kills on their sleeves (sleeve ribbons).

This was made possible by the bizarre Russian tactic of attacking with just infantry against water cooled German machine guns until they were slaughtered enough to have to retreat.

Then after a pause, when the Germans would grab a bunch of panzerfausts and run out into the battlefield to jump into shell holes, the Russians would invariably send just tanks, with no infantry support. The Germans would pop out of their holes like whack-a-moles and kill tank after tank.

Then, when the Russians ordered their surviving tanks to retreat, the Germans would leave their holes and head back to their own lines. Because after a pause, the next infantry only human wave attack would commence.

In one such battle, an SS anti-tank company held off two Russian armored armies at a bottleneck for two weeks. Five Germans, including the Commanding Major, actually survived the war, after they had run out of all ammo and were down to knives and walking sticks.

This was just one amazing story from a book entitled "War on the Eastern Front".
Posted by: Anonymoose   2007-11-07 22:10  

#10  Mitch H: I think you read what I wrote incorrectly. If you look at the Sheriff system, it is a dish mounted on the roof of a Humvee. If you pan the dish back and forth, you will get a cone of microwaves over your front of advance. If you are advancing in a line, rather than a column, you can probably have overlapping "fields of fire". And since microwaves are invisible, the enemy would have to stay hidden in the few places he could, then try and pop out and fire. So it would be damn difficult to aim.

Thomas Woof: MFR of an RPG-7 is 300 meters (328 yards) for a moving target and 500 meters (546 yards) for a stationary point target. However, this probably assumes a good shot with time to aim.

For a typical Muslim fighter with little training or combat experience, even an aimed target at 100 yards is problematic. While being shot at, and with a "grab shot", it would probably have to be at just over point blank range.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2007-11-07 21:59  

#9  An RPG-7 has an maximum effective range of just over 500 yards.

Seriously?
Posted by: Thomas Woof   2007-11-07 19:25  

#8  Meanwhile, ultra-heavy "dark matter" particulates are ramming thru Terra Firma from space, as iff our rocky earth was only somuch melted cheese.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2007-11-07 18:20  

#7  Is this thing an area-effect weapon, or is it more like a firehose? Because I find it hard to picture something that could efficiently act as an area-denial weapon over any length of time (like a raygun minefield) in the way you're suggesting, Anonymouse.
Posted by: Mitch H.   2007-11-07 18:19  

#6  Ahem. If you think about it, Iraq is the last place that needs such a weapon, at least against Iraqis.

However, Iraq is also centrally located for three places where such a weapon might be the cat's pajamas: Lebanon, Syria and Iran.

Picture this scenario. What if you had advancing mech infantry, against light infantry, with several of those weapons in the front echelon? This would mean that enemy could only shoot at them from distances GREATER than 500 yards.

The AK-47 has a maximum effective range of 325-425 yards). An RPG-7 has an maximum effective range of just over 500 yards.

This means that even if the enemy hid in defilade, or behind a tree or metal plate, about the only places where the microwave radiation wouldn't get them, as soon as they tried to fire, it would feel like their skin is on fire. Try to accurately fire a weapon like that!

One of the big tactics used by both Iran and Hezbollah is to round up a large group of women and children and charge them at their enemy. This also would not work, big time.

What would make this truly great was if your mech infantry also had a weapon that could shoot down incoming mortar and artillery rounds. And we do, though I don't know if it is on a mobile system yet.

This would leave the enemy with the only option of emplacing minefields.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2007-11-07 17:02  

#5  Little Dick Durbin meltdown in 10 ... 9 ... 8 ...
Posted by: doc   2007-11-07 16:33  

#4  Where's the next GATT conference?

Somewhere really hot and humid, hopefully. :)
Posted by: eLarson   2007-11-07 14:48  

#3  That means fewer civilian casualties, a key ingredient to success in Iraq.

Now that's a dangling participle.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2007-11-07 12:06  

#2  I wonder if as a result of developing the ray gun there will be a new market opening up for these?
Posted by: Jack is Back!   2007-11-07 11:40  

#1  So the counteraction will be demonstrators in chain mail with periscope visors? There's a video I can't wait to see! Where's the next GATT conference?
Posted by: Ulaising Jones3412   2007-11-07 11:34  

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