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“We aren’t going to permit Colombia to become the Israel of these lands.”
2008-03-03
Found originally at discarded lies, which quoted the blog Redneck's Revenge. The source they linked to was here but it no longer contains the quote.

MSNBC's current version

Troops mass on ColombiaÂ’s borders
Leaders of Ecuador, Venezuela warn action against rebels could bring war


CARACAS, Venezuela - Venezuela and Ecuador have ordered troops to their borders with Colombia, raising concerns of a broader conflict after Colombia killed a top rebel leader on Ecuadorean soil.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Sunday promised Venezuela would respond militarily if Colombia violates its border, where he ordered tanks as well as thousands of troops. He also ordered closed VenezuelaÂ’s embassy in Bogota.

EcuadorÂ’s president, Rafael Correa, called for the troop deployment while also withdrawing his governmentÂ’s ambassador from Bogota and expelling ColombiaÂ’s top diplomat.

“There is no justification,” Correa said Sunday night, snubbing an earlier announcement from Colombia that it would apologize for the incursion by its military.

Chavez called the killing of rebel leader and spokesman Raul Reyes and 16 other rebels on Saturday an attack by a “terrorist state.”

“Mr. Defense Minister, move 10 battalions to the border with Colombia for me, immediately — tank battalions. Deploy the air force,” Chavez said during his weekly TV and radio program. “We don’t want war, but we aren’t going to permit the U.S. empire, which is the master (of Colombia) ... to come divide us.”

Correa said Colombia deliberately carried out the strike beyond its borders. He said the rebels were “bombed and massacred as they slept, using precision technology.”

The Ecuadorean leader said Colombia violated EcuadorÂ’s airspace when it bombed the rebel camp, which the Colombian military said was located 1.1 miles from the border.

Colombian officials have long complained that EcuadorÂ’s military does not control its sparsely populated border, allowing rebels to take refuge.

The same holds true for Venezuela, where rebel deserters say the guerrillas routinely rest, train, obtain medical care and smuggle drugs. Chavez denies that his country provides refuge to the FARC.

In a statement, Colombia said FARC “terrorists” including Reyes “have had the custom of killing in Colombia and taking refuge in the territory of neighboring countries.”

Ecuadorean leader deepening FARC ties?
ColombiaÂ’s police commander Gen. Oscar Naranjo said documents from a computer seized where Reyes was killed suggested EcuadorÂ’s president is deepening relations with the FARC.

The two documents, copies of which were obtained independently by The Associated Press, were apparently written by Reyes in the past two months and addressed to the high command of the FARC. An Ecuadorean government spokesman called the Colombian claims a lie.

Ecuadorean soldiers recovered the semi-nude bodies of 15 rebels in their jungle camp, the corpses scattered around the site along with pieces of clothing, shoes, a refrigerator, guns and grenades.

Soldiers stood guard at the camp, saying they also found three wounded women, who were evacuated by helicopter to be treated. One was a Mexican philosophy student injured by shrapnel, while the other two were Colombians, said EcuadorÂ’s defense minister, Welington Sandoval.

Ecuadorean officials found that there were two bomb attacks on the camp early Saturday, Lt. Col. Jose Nunez told reporters in the remote village of Angostura, where the bodies were found.

Colombian commandos removed the cadavers of Reyes and one other rebel.

Threats of war
Chavez called the raid “cowardly murder, all of it coldly calculated.”

“This could be the start of a war in South America,” Chavez said. He warned Uribe: “If it occurs to you to do this in Venezuela, President Uribe, I’ll send some Sukhois” — Russian warplanes recently bought by Venezuela.

The situation tested already tense relations between Venezuela and Colombia, though cross-border trade has not yet been seriously affected.

Chavez did not specify how many troops was sending to the border. A Venezuelan battalion traditionally has roughly 600 soldiers.

“Undoubtedly the recent actions on the part of Colombia and Venezuela’s response raise the risk for armed conflict,” said Miguel Tinker Salas, a Latin American studies professor at Pomona College in Claremont, California. “Although it is unlikely we will see military confrontations, what is clear is that Colombia has been pursuing a military solution to its own internal problem, ... drawing in Ecuador and Venezuela.”

Chavez has increasingly revealed his sympathies for the FARC, and in January asked that it be struck from lists of terrorist groups internationally.

The leftist FARC has been fighting ColombiaÂ’s government for more than four decades, and funds itself largely through the cocaine trade and kidnaps for ransom and political ends.

Chavez said that with U.S. support, Colombian troops “invaded Ecuador, flagrantly violating Ecuador’s sovereignty.”

U.S.: Chavez has ‘odd reaction’
U.S. Embassy spokeswoman Suzanne Hall, in Bogota, declined comment on the possibility of U.S. involvement, saying it was a Colombian government operation.

In Texas, U.S. National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said of Chavez’s latest moves: “This is an odd reaction by Venezuela to Colombia’s efforts against the FARC, a terrorist organization that continues to hold Colombians, Americans and others hostage.”

How exactly Reyes was killed was not immediately clear.

ColombiaÂ’s defense minister, Juan Manuel Santos, said Colombian commandos, tracking Reyes through an informant, first bombed a camp on the Colombian side of the Ecuadorean border. He said the troops came under fire from across the border in Ecuador and encountered ReyesÂ’ body when they overran that camp.

Colombia and Venezuela have been locked in a diplomatic crisis since Uribe sought in November to halt ChavezÂ’s efforts to mediate a prisoner swap. The FARC has since freed six hostages to delegates of Chavez, including four released last week.

The FARC has demanded that a safe zone be created in Colombia to negotiate a swap of some 40 high-value captives, including former presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt and three U.S. defense contractors, for hundreds of imprisoned guerrillas.
As quoted by "Redneck's Revenge" and I'm guessing what they had up earlier:

CARACAS, Venezuela - President Hugo Chavez on Sunday ordered thousands of troops to the border with Colombia after Colombia's military killed a top rebel leader.

Chavez told his defense minister: "Move 10 battalions for me to the border with Colombia, immediately." He also ordered the Venezuelan Embassy in Colombia closed and said all embassy personnel would be withdrawn.

The announcements by Venezuela's leftist leader pushed relations to their tensest point of his nine-year presidency, and Chavez warned that Colombia could spark a war in South America.

He called the U.S.-allied government in Bogota "a terrorist state" and labeled President Alvaro Uribe "a criminal."

The leftist leader warned that ColombiaÂ’s slaying of rebel spokesman Raul Reyes could spark a war.

“It wasn’t any combat. It was a cowardly murder, all of it coldly calculated,” Chavez said.

“We pay tribute to a true revolutionary, who was Raul Reyes,” Chavez said, recalling that he had met rebel in Brazil in 1995 and calling him a “good revolutionary.”

Chavez: Colombia 'the Israel' of region

Chavez said he had just spoken to Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa and that Ecuador was also sending troops to its border with Colombia.

“The Colombian government has become the Israel of Latin America,” an agitated Chavez said, mentioning another country that he has criticized for its military strikes. “We aren’t going to permit Colombia to become the Israel of these lands.”

Chavez accused Uribe of being a puppet of Washington and acting on behalf of the U.S. government, saying “Dracula’s fangs are covered in blood.”

“Some day Colombia will be freed from the hand of the (U.S.) empire,” Chavez said. “We have to liberate Colombia,” he added, saying Colombia’s people will eventually do away with its government.

The U.S. State Department had no immediate reaction to ChavezÂ’s comments.

On Saturday, Chavez cautioned Uribe against similar military strikes along VenezuelaÂ’s border.

“Don’t think about doing that over here, because it would very serious, it would be cause for war,” Chavez said. “How far is President Uribe willing to go in his warlike madness?”

Chavez, who maintains warm relations with the Colombian guerrilla group, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, said that “it was obscene to see the smiling faces” of Colombian military commanders standing behind Colombian Defense Minister Juan Manuel Santos as he announced the death of FARC spokesman Raul Reyes and 16 other rebels on Saturday.

Colombia defends incursion

On Sunday, Colombia defended its decision to carry out the raid, saying it acted in self-defense.

“The terrorists, among them Raul Reyes, have had the custom of killing in Colombia and taking refuge in the territory of neighboring countries. Many times Colombia has suffered from this situation that we must avoid to protect our citizens,” a Foreign Ministry statement said.

Ecuador has done little to try to remove the heavily armed fighters from ColombiaÂ’s conflict who cross the long, porous border into its territory.

ColombiaÂ’s military tracked ReyesÂ’ location through an informant and bombed a camp on its side of the Ecuadorean border, where Reyes was thought to be, Santos said. Ground troops moved in but came under attack from another camp across the border in Ecuador. When the military overran that camp, they found ReyesÂ’ body, Santos said.

Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa said Uribe had informed him of the raid but later announced that he was misled after Ecuadorean officials inspected a bombed rebel camp.

Ecuador: 'Airspace was violated'

“The (Colombian) president either was poorly informed or brazenly lied to the president of Ecuador,” said Correa, who called home the ambassador to Colombia for consultation and promised a diplomatic note of protest.

“Clearly Ecuadorean airspace was violated” in the bombing, Correa said.

Uribe earlier called ReyesÂ’ death a step forward in defeating terrorism.

“Today we’ve taken another step in the process of recuperating the respect of the people of Colombia, the respect that our people deserve,” Uribe told a news conference.

Combatants in ColombiaÂ’s bitter four-decade conflict frequently cross borders with Ecuador and Venezuela, creating friction between the neighbors.

Colombia and Venezuela have been locked in a diplomatic crisis since November, when Uribe ended ChavezÂ’s official role negotiating a proposed hostages-for-prisoners swap.

Nevertheless, the FARC freed four hostages to Venezuelan officials last week, and they were reunited with their families in Caracas. It was the second unilateral release by the FARC this year.

Chavez has recently angered Uribe by urging world leaders to classify the leftist rebels as “insurgents” rather than “terrorists.”

The FARC has proposed trading some 40 remaining high-value captives, including former Colombian presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt and three U.S. defense contractors, for hundreds of imprisoned guerrillas.


We're always used to hearing the tranzi's tired old trope that "Antizionism isn't the same as antisemitism" but isn't it telling that any conflict they get in they start calling their enemy Israeli? And that while the press here may report it, they'll backtrack over it for whatever reason compels them to do so?
Posted by:Abdominal Snowman

#14  Uh, I am afraid that my standing isn't high enough around here to change Fred's CSS, even if I understood CSS.

I guess I need to find a current guide to html for hominids.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman   2008-03-03 23:55  

#13  AS,

<div>s don't do anything by themselves; they are just placeholders. However, given appropriate CSS declarations, they can do a lot. You'll need to read some books or visit some online sites to learn about them; I doubt Fred wants that much geekery in these comments.

Let's just say that you can make your pages much clearer if you put the comment in the html files and the rules for displaying the content in CSS files.
Posted by: Eric Jablow   2008-03-03 23:18  

#12  I'll have to look into "div".

Anyway, notice that I wasn't flowing text from one column to another, although now that I think about it, that would be a really nifty trick.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman   2008-03-03 23:05  

#11  BP, if you know a way to automatically flow text from one <div> to another, and to balance the columns, please let me know. I can really use the info.

I hate using <table> for anything but actual grids too, but I don't see a replacement here. And I'm stuck with an app that uses frames, tables, and J2EE Struts tiles. I'm trying to wean everyone from frames and tables, but it isn't easy.
Posted by: Eric Jablow   2008-03-03 22:32  

#10  Raul and Hugo go way Way WAY BACK - think OSAMA + ZAWAHIRI.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2008-03-03 20:17  

#9  floating <div>s that is
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2008-03-03 18:25  

#8  Tables are the devils work!

floating
s if you please.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2008-03-03 18:24  

#7  Colombia as Israel, interesting comparison when you consider the neighbors appear to be arming Colombian rebels or allowing the use of their territory for strikes into Colombia.

It would be nice to see Colombia take out Chavez and end his attempts to convert Latin America into North Korea.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2008-03-03 16:01  

#6  Tables, Barbara.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman   2008-03-03 15:25  

#5  And how would those A-10s continue to pump oil for America from Venezuelan wells?
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2008-03-03 15:17  

#4  May Mr. Chavez soon find himself in an anatomically impossible position doing things that shock his mother and disgust his grandmother.
Posted by: trailing wife    2008-03-03 15:16  

#3  Hugo may be letting his bravado and mouth get his troops killed. I would guess a squadron of A10s could be in Columbia toot sweet
Posted by: Frank G   2008-03-03 14:59  

#2  Never mind the italics, AS - how'd you get the dual columns?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2008-03-03 14:53  

#1  ...and I notice I forgot to close an italics tag.

I guess I can blame it on the network problems and pretend I'm not a total incompetent.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman   2008-03-03 14:50  

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