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Europe
Berlin hardens 'no' to NATO offer for Georgia and Ukraine
2008-03-29
The German government underlined its opposition Friday to NATO opening the door to membership to former Soviet republics Ukraine and Georgia.

Deputy government spokesman Thomas Steg told a regular news conference that Berlin believed that neither country had the necessary political conditions to merit membership in the alliance. "We are very reserved when it comes to the issue of deciding now on possible membership of Ukraine and Georgia," he said. "This is solely linked to developments in each country and in the region. We expect the necessary resolution (of outstanding issues) and stabilization, pacification to succeed before this question can have a different response than is the case at the moment."

He said there were regional stability issues linked to Georgia's bid and called it an "open secret" that there was fierce debate in Ukraine about whether the country should join NATO. "The situation in both these countries is decisive for the skepticism with which we view the question of membership," Steg said.
Fair point, we only want NATO members who are united in their desire to join.
Chancellor Angela Merkel signalled early this month that she opposed Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO, saying the alliance should wait until the people of the two countries back membership and the region becomes more stable.
Though NATO membership would help make the region more stable.
The two former Soviet states hope to win invitations to join NATO's so-called membership action plan, which helps aspiring countries prepare for future entry, when leaders gather at a summit in Romania beginning on Wednesday.

The issue has vexed Russia, with incoming president Dmitry Medvedev this week saying that the prospect of NATO coming closer to its borders was "extremely troublesome."

Despite strong support from the United States, plus Canada and most of the alliance's ex-communist members, there is reticence among many other states.
The French don't want to consider an attack on Kiev to be the same as an attack on Paris ...
Countries such as Germany are wary of provoking a further row with Russia on top of a dispute over US plans to deploy an anti-missile system in the Czech Republic and Poland. They also point to a lack of public backing in Ukraine for the NATO policy of the country's pro-Western leaders.

While Georgians are mostly in favour, concern there focuses on "conflicts" with the potential to create problems for the entire alliance if Tbilisi is given a green light. Separatists have controlled a swathe of northern Georgia since it broke free from the crumbling Soviet Union in the 1990s.
Fair point, and the Georgian government isn't a model of democratic enlightenment.
Posted by:mrp

#7  Old Europe wasn't willing to lift a finger to help eastern Europe, either. The only people who even tried was the US. The eastern Europeans haven't forgotten that, either.

Both Ukraine and Georgia are scared of Russia, and rightfully so. They know that it is only a matter of time before Russia tries to snatch them up again, and as of now, there is nobody to stop Russia from doing so.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2008-03-29 19:02  

#6  My question is to ask why they would want to join NATO in the first place? Judging from what I see in Afghanistan, there's a two-tier NATO: one group that fights and another group that rides on the first group's back. I'm thinking that it's time NATO rode quietly off into the sunset because, like the UN, it's a mid-20th Century creation that has outlived its usefulness and been perverted to aims its founders never intended. It certainly carries damned few benefits for the U.S. these days.
Posted by: Pancho Elmeck8414   2008-03-29 18:44  

#5  Since their falling out with China, Russia just seems shit outta friends.
Posted by: bigjim-ky   2008-03-29 14:13  

#4  Wouldn't want Fat Fritz to be uncomfortable sharing the same table with those he tried to genocide 65 years before. Personally, I think dumping Germany and adding Ukraine would do more to advance freedom and democracy in that part of the world.
Posted by: ed   2008-03-29 14:12  

#3  But the Germans don't want to shoot in Afghanistan either. My guess is the really reason is Russian Natural Gas Exports.
Posted by: 3dc   2008-03-29 12:56  

#2  The Germans are saying they would not spend the life of a Pomeranian grenadier to preserve Ukranian freedom from Russian domination. And, for once, I believe they are telling the truth. And I don't think Americans are willing to spend the life of a Kentucky rifleman for The Ukraine, either. So who's lying to whom?

Nato has served its purpose and served it well. It is now being perverted into an adventurous tool of aggressive international diplomacy that would have been an anathema to those opposed to entry to the League.

Out of Nato, out of the UN.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2008-03-29 10:57  

#1  Remind me again why they want to join NATO. Might as well join the League of Nations.
Posted by: Spot   2008-03-29 10:39  

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