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Home Front: Culture Wars
Ninth Circus Court rules against military gays policy
2008-05-22
You know without even reading that the ruling came from the Ninth Circus ...
SEATTLE (AP) - The military cannot automatically discharge people because they're gay, a federal appeals court ruled Wednesday in the case of a decorated flight nurse who sued the Air Force over her dismissal.

The three judges from the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals did not strike down the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy. But they reinstated Maj. Margaret Witt's lawsuit, saying the Air Force must prove that her dismissal furthered the military's goals of troop readiness and unit cohesion. The "don't ask, don't tell, don't pursue, don't harass" policy prohibits the military from asking about the sexual orientation of service members but requires discharge of those who acknowledge being gay or engaging in homosexual activity.

Wednesday's ruling led opponents of the policy to declare its days numbered. It is also the first appeals court ruling in the country that evaluated the policy through the lens of a 2003 Supreme Court decision that struck down a Texas ban on sodomy as an unconstitutional intrusion on privacy.

When gay service members have sued over their dismissals, courts historically have accepted the military's argument that having gays in the service is generally bad for morale and can lead to sexual tension. But the Supreme Court's opinion in the Texas case changed the legal landscape, the judges said, and requires more scrutiny over whether "don't ask, don't tell" is constitutional as applied in individual cases.

Under Wednesday's ruling, military officials "need to prove that having this particular gay person in the unit really hurts morale, and the only way to improve morale is to discharge this person," said Aaron Caplan, a staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union of Washington state who worked on the case.

Witt, a flight nurse based at McChord Air Force Base near Tacoma, was suspended without pay in 2004 after the Air Force received a tip that she had been in a long-term relationship with a civilian woman. Witt was honorably discharged in October 2007 after having put in 18 years - two short of what she needed to receive retirement benefits.

She sued the Air Force in 2006, but U.S. District Judge Ronald B. Leighton dismissed her claims, saying the Supreme Court's ruling in Lawrence v. Texas did not change the legality of "don't ask, don't tell."

The appeals court judges disagreed. "When the government attempts to intrude upon the personal and private lives of homosexuals, the government must advance an important governmental interest ... and the intrusion must be necessary to further that interest," wrote Judge Ronald M. Gould.

One of the judges, William C. Canby Jr., issued a partial dissent, saying that the ruling didn't go far enough. He argued that the Air Force should have to show that the policy itself "is necessary to serve a compelling governmental interest and that it sweeps no more broadly than necessary."
Posted by:Steve White

#7  Steve, yes it is Congress's policy. However,several schools use it as an excuse to keep military recruiters off campus because the military discriminates against gays.
Nobody said that logic was their strong suit.
Posted by: Rambler in California   2008-05-22 18:12  

#6  the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that Congress' don't ask, don't tell policy?
Posted by: SteveS   2008-05-22 18:09  

#5  And yes, this is the MOST overturned court in the US.
Posted by: OldSpook   2008-05-22 12:22  

#4  The "gays coming on to striaght" is a very very unlikely scenario.

But this is about an EXTREME overrreach by an appeals court and activist judges, ion direct contravention to the Constitution and the Legislative branch of government.

No more life appointments for judges. 12 years, with one areappointment possible. And THAT is all they get. Every 3 years they should stand an "approval" vote of all voters in their district, and if a majority disapprove, they are off the bench and a new judge is appointed.

Make them answerable. They need to have some responsibility thrown at them to balance thier authority.
Posted by: OldSpook   2008-05-22 12:22  

#3  And what about the gay guy in a unit full of straights and he gets a little predatory and begins to "come on" to other guys? Now you have the stage set for all kinds of interpersonal drama.

Crosspatch, I could be wrong but I think this is unlikely among an armed population. More likely the gays will find each other and leave the straights alone and then write a book later about how they feared for their lives and then go on Ellen and Oprah and a massive book tour.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2008-05-22 11:08  

#2  US Constitution, Article I, "All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives."
Article I, Section 8
"To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;" [Don't see anything here about the judiciary]
manifested by Title X USC - Armed Forces
of which Subtitle A, Part II, Chapter 47, Subchapter X
Art. 125. Sodomy
(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.
(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.


Seems clear as day that behavior is inconsistent with the law as written by Congress. Then again, why would an Imperial Judiciary worry about things like that? Because elsewhere in the LAW as empowered by Section 8, Congress added this

Chapter 37, para 654

The Ninth Circuit Court just issued another "L'Etat, c'est moi" fiat.

And "Don't ask, Don't tell" is because of that other piece of military stuff called good order and discipline -
"Art. 78. Accessory after the fact
Any person subject to this chapter who, knowing that an offense punishable by this chapter has been committed, receives, comforts, or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial, or punishment shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."

Take it to the House of the People to get your change. It is Congress' Law by Constitutional authority.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2008-05-22 08:37  

#1  "The military cannot automatically discharge people because they're gay"

No, they must be scourged first ... (just kidding).

The military doesn't automatically discharge people because they are gay. They discharge people if they get all "out there" about their gayness. And that makes perfect sense. It is a morale issue. Imagine you have two gay men living together and having regular sex in the middle of the desert. And you also have eleventy-three other soldiers stuck in the same stinking desert for a year with no chances to have sex. Think there might be some issues? If you are going to allow homosexuals then fine ... you also have to allow straight soldiers to sleep together and then maybe you need "comfort girls" for the rest of the troops.

And what about the gay guy in a unit full of straights and he gets a little predatory and begins to "come on" to other guys? Now you have the stage set for all kinds of interpersonal drama.

This is just one more way the anti-American military entities can find to eat away (so to speak) at our military force's morale.
Posted by: crosspatch   2008-05-22 01:45  

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