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Britain
Top police chief: 'We must start negotiating with Al Qaeda'
2008-05-30
One of Britain's most senior policemen says the country should talk to Al Qaeda to try and end their bloody campaign of violence. Sir Hugh Orde, a front-runner to replace Ian Blair as the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, said he could not think of a single terrorist campaign that ended without negotiation.

And after 30 years of tackling the IRA Sir Hugh, head of the Police Service of Northern Ireland, said he was convinced that policing - detecting plots and arresting people - was not enough alone to defeat terrorists.
Killing terrorists is a big part of it, too, though Sir Hugh missed that lecture at the police academy ...
His comments come the day after Al Qaeda released a shocking image of their vision of America - devastated by nuclear attack. The terrifying computer generated picture showing the ruins of Washington DC was released on an Islamic extremists' website.

Sir Hugh admitted that negotiating with terrorists meant 'thinking the unthinkable' and said some of the biggest risks his officers took were talking to people that 'historically they would not have dreamed of talking to'.

In an interview with the Guardian newspaper his 2004 meeting with Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams was an example of how one-time enemies can become partners in peace.
Gerry Adams is a contemptible person, but he also isn't looking for the twelfth iman and isn't contemplating 72 virgins in Paradise. At some level there's a chance of a breakthrough with him that we're not going to have with Binny ...
Asked if he was saying 'we should talk to al Qaeda', Sir Hugh said: 'Well that's the logic of...I don't think that's unthinkable, the question will be one of timing.'

He added: 'If you want my professional assessment of any terrorism campaign, what fixes it is talking and engaging and judging when the conditions are right for that to take place.

'Is that a naive statement? I don't think it is ... It is the reality of what we face.

'If somebody can show me any terrorism campaign where it has been policed out, I'd be happy to read about it, because I can't think of one.'
Posted by:anonymous5089

#14  Also, no more f*cking goats.
There's your show-stopper.
Posted by: George Smiley   2008-05-30 17:53  

#13  I think at this point profiling would be more effective than negotiating. But, of course, that's so politically incorrect of me.
Posted by: Grusoling Panda8701   2008-05-30 16:02  

#12  Excallibur, perhaps we should start with the goat thing as our initial demand and then trust but verify. The humiliation and humor would be awesome.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2008-05-30 15:26  

#11  Our nation building follies encourage this kind of talk. In 1945, we outlawed Nazism as a form of association and expression, etc; in 2003 we outlawed Baathism in Iraq (Coalition Provisional Authority Order #1). We need to outlaw Islamofascism now and forever. Indulging political islam has been tried: and failed. Let's do something else, like ordering shoot on sight orders against Islamofascists.
Posted by: Clereck Grundy4016   2008-05-30 15:07  

#10  WE MUST NEVER TAKE COUNSEL WITH SIR HUGH ORDE.

/my first choice
Posted by: RD   2008-05-30 12:41  

#9  WE MUST NEVER TAKE SIR HUGH ORDE'S ADVICE.
Posted by: RD   2008-05-30 12:38  

#8  "Anybody else wanna negotiate?..."
-- The 5th Element
Posted by: mojo   2008-05-30 12:22  

#7  I really hate the equivocation of the terms "talking to" and "negotiating".

We should always "talk to" terrorists, so that they are under no illusions why we are killing them. So that they are unable to delude themselves, or others viz the morality of their acts.

In theory, even negotiation is fine, although the term without qualifiers implies too wide a range of possibilities. We have always had and always will have the possibility on the table whereby if they stop attacking/killing us, we will stop attacking/killing them. By definition, this is the line at which negotiation stops and appeasement begins.

Sir Hugh Orde ought to know better than to even suggest negotiation when the enemy is nowhere near implicit acceptance of these terms. He mentions the neccessity of "Judging conditions". Present conditions do not even warrant talking about negotiating.
Posted by: Admiral Allan Ackbar   2008-05-30 12:03  

#6  Negotiating sounds great. First, AQ must denounce violence against non-Muslims, acknowledge the historic and legal rights of Israel, denounce the religious apartheid of the Saudi government and all other Arab governments, affirm the equality of women, and accept freedom of expression and of religious belief including the right of Muslims to convert to other faiths, to practice a broad variety of Islamic traditions or to have no particular faith.

Also, no more f*cking goats.

Once we have this bare minimum agreed, negotiations on other issues may be considered. Until then: Kill as many of them as we can.

It would also be a reasonable expectation for senior British police officers to agree the same points. If they can't they should be fired.
Posted by: Excalibur   2008-05-30 11:56  

#5  If the negotiation starts with the choice of (a) Al Queda unconditional surrender (b) Al Queda leave or die than I can accept negotiations. Otherwise, I don't think so.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2008-05-30 11:46  

#4  "Sir Hugh" doesn't even know his own British history, or he'd know that the British counter-terrorism effort in Malaya resulted in the destruction of two muzzie terror groups and free and fair elections in that country.

The man just breathed new life into a dying carcass, the jacka$$.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2008-05-30 11:42  

#3  I think he tried negotiating with the Madhi, but he didnt want to talk for some reason...
Posted by: Admiral Allan Ackbar   2008-05-30 11:20  

#2  With whom did Kitchener negotiate at Khartoum?
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2008-05-30 10:29  

#1  Seems this guy doesn't know that Jerry Adams had no desire on making English convert to catholicism, speak gaelic, eat irish stew and drink guiness.
Posted by: JFM   2008-05-30 10:19  

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