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| McCain takes hard stance toward Russia |
| 2008-08-12 |
 (Xinhua) -- Aimed to consolidate his commander-in-chief credentials, U.S. Republican presidential hopeful John McCain took a hard stance toward Russia Monday in the wake of the Russia-Georgia conflict. "Russian President Medvedev and Prime Minister Putin must understand the severe, long-term negative consequences that their government's actions will have for Russia's relationship with the U.S. and Europe," McCain said in Erie, Pennsylvania, before a bus trip of the state. |
| Posted by:Fred |
| #30 BH6, I think the Russkies honor the "None of that fightin durin the 'Lympics ye hear!" rule about as well as the muzzies honor the "No fightin durin Ramalamadingdon er I'll curse yer mustache!". |
| Posted by: remoteman 2008-08-12 16:26 |
| #29 Sherry - I'm not sure how the troops will look at McCain, prolly more favorably then nobama who my peers and I view as an empty suit opportunist. For whatever reason the troops do like Bush's charisma, he doesn't come off as pretentious to us. I know most of them know McCain's record as a POW so that alone gives him a ton of credibility. Some of the ignorant officers and enlisted will vote obama sadly. Overall I think McCain will mop up the mil vote. AS - Russia stealing Chinese thunder? Maybe you're right, I hadn't thought about that. Wasn't there a time when the Olympics was supposed to supercede hostilities? Like some un-written rule back in the past? Just wondering. |
| Posted by: Broadhead6 2008-08-12 16:15 |
| #28 AS, thanx bro. Maybe you were going to compliment me on my pithy anectdotes and rugged good looks? (yeah, I didn't think so either) BH6: I think it's coming back to me, it was something about China. I don't think they're laughing. They spent about $US 40 BILLION on rebuilding stuff in Beijing for the Olympics, This was going to be their showcase to show that the old Great China of history is _back_, and rebuilding its former glory. And to the Russians it was just another thing for them to use to national advantage to screw up some pipeline in the Caucasus. They may not _say_ it in public because to do so would be to lose face, but I strongly suspect they're rather angry behind the mask. |
| Posted by: Abdominal Snowman 2008-08-12 15:11 |
| #27 Sherry- whilst still on active duty, we were obliged to host Jimmy Carter on USS Flattop. All divisions and squadrons were required to provide 'volunteers' to listen to him ( for picture taking ops, get to see the C-in-C surrounded by his adoring military). Many of us fortunate enough to have been drafted into this, found very interesting things to look at outside the hangar bay. Not saying we deliberately turned our back on that POS, but the pictures were not used. I would expect the same sort of reaction today with Johnny Mac and Nobama. recall the recent 'hood themed pictures from his Iraq ghetto ball tour?????? |
| Posted by: USN, Ret. 2008-08-12 14:58 |
| #26 If we had "rods from god" in our inventory - the tunnel the USSR used to enter S.O. could have been eliminated in a totally deniable way... Just saying... |
| Posted by: 3dc 2008-08-12 12:36 |
| #25 If Russia has called an end to military action it means (a) they are lying (b) they have achieved their objectives already. Or a bit of both. |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2008-08-12 12:14 |
| #24 Hey BHead6 and all others who can answer -- I'm wondering about the troops reaction to McCain. I know we don't always see the whole picture when taken, but when Bush is with the troops, the pictures show them hanging all over him, arms draped around him, comfortable with him, smiles all around -- like, maybe they like him. I noticed the same thing with our athletics, Will that be the same with McCain? I mean, it seems our troops just reach out an grab Bush -- just my perception and let me know if I'm all wrong. Certainly wouldn't be the first time. There was the time back in...... |
| Posted by: Sherry 2008-08-12 12:11 |
| #23 Did Soviets ever observe the McCain's tortures while a POW? |
| Posted by: 3dc 2008-08-12 11:36 |
| #22 "What he said." |
| Posted by: B. O. 2008-08-12 10:19 |
| #21 but w/one eye I can become even more deliciously myopic! :) Back OT, I think mccain is easily better suited for this than Obama....I'm pretty sure putty looks at obama and sees a naive rookie sweet boy in comparisons to the old grumpy man mccain. |
| Posted by: Broadhead6 2008-08-12 10:15 |
| #20 No argument there, Broadhead6, except for the spork bit. I see no point of you wielding anything less than a heavy bit of exotic Victorian sterling. Although I'd really prefer you maintained stereoscopic vision for our upcoming challenges. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2008-08-12 10:11 |
| #19 AS, thanx bro. Maybe you were going to compliment me on my pithy anectdotes and rugged good looks? (yeah, I didn't think so either) |
| Posted by: Broadhead6 2008-08-12 10:09 |
| #18 TW, my problem w/him is that as C-in-C he ought to know that the military has a onus to protect the sovereign borders of our territory, period. His stances have possibly undermined state authorities (sanctuary cities). Elected leaders are duty bound to uphold the law, esp senators. I think he's a country club rino minus his foreign policy, Iraq & prolly abortion. He talks about "all God's children" and crap like that wrt illegals....makes me want to stick a taco bell spork in my eye. |
| Posted by: Broadhead6 2008-08-12 10:07 |
| #17 Illegal immigration has become an issue handled by passing and enforcing laws at the state level, Broadhead6. President McCain will be wise not to interfere with the actions of the people. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2008-08-12 10:01 |
| #16 Oh, btw, BH6, there was something I wanted to tell ya last night, but the big turnover timer got me, and I don't remember what it is now. If I remember I'll tell you. Just wanted ya to know that my thoughts are with ya, man, even if I don't remember what they were. |
| Posted by: Abdominal Snowman 2008-08-12 10:01 |
| #15 When Obama & Hillary were duking it out a couple months back McCain went to Baghdad to see the troops...He looked presidential and in command of the issues, the two dem prez hopefuls looked like rookies in comparison sniping at each other (no pun intended wrt hillary). I don't care for mcpain but he's easily the better choice and I think he will be decent on these types of foreign policy issues. That being said, I hate his stance on illegal immigration and don't trust him on it. |
| Posted by: Broadhead6 2008-08-12 09:57 |
| #14 That being said . the Russian president has just called for an end to military action - something is goin on in the background we dont know . From Belmont Club - "But the Russians have repeatedly failed to âbagâ or encircle the Georgian Army, whose losses appear to be relatively light. The Georgians may have decided to avoid a ruinous battle for Gori, preserve their army and keep their state alive â even at the cost of abandoning their Black Sea ports and Kolkhida Lowland â in favor of a withdrawal behind the second of their major mountain ranges: the Lesser Caucasus. The Lesser Caucasus runs parallel to the Greater Caucasus range, Georgiaâs border with Russia with the Kolkhida Lowland between them. It is about 600 kilometers long. To use the metaphor of Rorkeâs Drift, it is the inner "bags of mealies" wall." That wasn't in the Russians plan. So now they have to do the usual elaborate planning and build up again for another big lurch classical Soviet offensive. The Georgians are smart enough to understand you can lose cities but keep the army and still fight [something George Washington understood as well]. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2008-08-12 08:40 |
| #13 Sounds like we need to hook up that part of the world with some military exports. |
| Posted by: Betty Ulinens3979 2008-08-12 08:16 |
| #12 Called an end to military action because a second front has been opened up by seperatists maybe ? His 'legal troops' can pull back and leave the seperatists to hound the Georgians maybe . |
| Posted by: Mad Eye 2008-08-12 05:07 |
| #11 That being said . the Russian president has just called for an end to military action - something is goin on in the background we dont know . |
| Posted by: Mad Eye 2008-08-12 05:05 |
| #10 Ooh and now the precedent has been set , how far to the Russians want to go ? Ukraine maybe ? The next two weeks are going to be extremely interesting to say the very least . And the aftermath will last for years if not dealt with firmly now .... |
| Posted by: Mad Eye 2008-08-12 05:03 |
| #9 Maybe he is , but his views suck so badly it hurts this great website . And as OS has pointed out on numerous occasion , Zoid is really just a proxy butcher's mouthpeice sprouting shite wherever he goes . The irony for me is that he's happy to call Iran Islamo facsist and then happy to to back the Ruskies on this rather sore topic . Having the Russian 58th army in Georgia is akin to having the Nazis in Poland in 1939 . GG |
| Posted by: Mad Eye 2008-08-12 04:59 |
| #8 Oldspook, McZoid is baiting you, and you keep taking the bait. Just ignore the piss ant. Those who know the truth will just laugh at McZero's diatribe and move on. |
| Posted by: Lampedusa Glack5566 2008-08-12 04:53 |
| #7 You know, with as much time as you spend verbally fellating dictators and bigots, you must really like the feel of Putins scrotum on your chin. |
| Posted by: McZoidsConscience 2008-08-12 03:51 |
| #6 McZoid - PROVE YOUR WORDS. How id he a "cut throat"? ANd how is the brutal indiscirimnate ckilling of Civlians by Putin and his gangsters excused in your feegble little mind? Hmm? Is there a jackboot that you will nto put on? You friggen little Nazi wannabe. I've hsot people like you when I was in the military. Why are you an enemy of liberty? Why do you continue to glorfiy and support an obviously wrong and dictatorial brute's actions? Expalin how there is ANY moral justification to your position supporting this action by Russia. ANd FYI - if you are wrong will you simply go away? Because McCain is NOT going to backtrack - he knows their kind - and yours. Enemies of liberty, to be fought and defeated. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2008-08-12 03:15 |
| #5 Senator McCain will change his mind when the Georgian people topple their cut-throat, myopic leaders. I will be proven right by Saturday. |
| Posted by: McZoid 2008-08-12 02:51 |
| #4 The summer vacation is over, boys and girls---real world is back. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2008-08-12 02:18 |
| #3 The environmentalists can stay home this political season. BO's tire inflation gages and no precondition meetings with dictators will not bring any results. I am voting for our national security. May he keep Pouty Putin Impotent through strength. |
| Posted by: Keep Putin Pouty 2008-08-12 01:52 |
| #2 "...long-term negative consequences..." I suspect the only "negative consequences" that would concern Vlad would be large numbers of his tanks and planes being turned into charred piles of junk. |
| Posted by: PBMcL 2008-08-12 01:24 |
| #1 This is why I will be voting for McCain... no matter what other political stance that he takes... I believe in my heart that he will do all he can to protect our way of life... to promote democracy... and uphold our constitution... I can not say I believe that of his rival... lol... no I have no faith in that bunch... Blackvenom-2001 |
| Posted by: Blackvenom-2001 2008-08-12 01:23 |