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Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles
2008-08-15
MOSCOW (AP) -- A top Russian general said Friday that Poland's agreement to accept a U.S. missile defense battery exposes ex-communist nation to attack, possibly by nuclear weapons, the Interfax news agency reported. The statement by Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn is the strongest threat that Russia has issued against the plans to put missile defense elements in former Soviet satellite nations.
"The more you tighten your grip, the more systems will slip through your fingers ..."
Poland and the United States on Thursday signed a deal for Poland to accept a missile interceptor base as part of a system the United States says is aimed at blocking attacks by rogue nations. Moscow, however, feels it is aimed at Russia's missile force.

"Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike -- 100 percent," Nogovitsyn, the deputy chief of staff, was quoted as saying. He added, in clear reference to the agreement, that Russia's military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons "against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them." Nogovitsyn that would include elements of strategic deterrence systems, he said, according to Interfax.
And ev'ryone knows that the best way to make a Pole back down is to threaten him ...
U.S. officials have said the timing of the deal was not meant to antagonize Russian leaders at a time when relations already are strained over the recent fighting between Russia and Georgia over the South Ossetia region.
Posted by:john frum

#16  Dear trailing daughter # 1, then those concerned people will install the same on Cuba, and in Latin America. Also, those concerned people will team up with China, although it did not have to be that way. With a combined population of 1.4 billion of so and a combined GDP exceeding that of the U.S. (or soon exceeding). You may also want to add India. That would make it about 2 billion people. Add about 2 billion muslems in the Middle East, and you are pretty much pissed off the rest of the world. How does that sound?
Posted by: General_Comment   2008-08-15 23:47  

#15  Darn it, I forgot to change back after trailing daughter #1 posted on the physics thread. Sorry for the confusion!
Posted by: trailing wife    2008-08-15 23:16  

#14  That's right, dear General_Comment. Some people should be considerably more concerned than they are at the moment, because soon our purpose will be accomplished, and then what will they do?
Posted by: trailing daughter #1   2008-08-15 23:15  

#13  "#4 Good job Vlad! You've managed to piss off 700 million of the richest, most technically advanced people on the planet."

Speak for yourself, sport. Reaching agreement with Poland today amptly demonstrated the true purpose of the interceptors (but forget them), the true purpose of the radar in the Check republic (which will be next). U.S. is placing the radar to control the russian airspace all the way to the Ural mountains. The new Soviet Union of the America (SUA) continues its strategy of encircling Russia with military bases at every corner. All that talk about the protection from Iran and North Korea was a bunch of lies from the get go. Especially, that NK dismantled its enrichment facilities. So, now it's Iran. Excessive agressiveness, paranoia, and desire to assure total and ultimate military superiority over any even remotely conceivable adversary was always a hallmark of SUA. Some decent people in the american administration, like Henry Kissinger, were rather an exception.
Posted by: General_Comment   2008-08-15 23:03  

#12  Look at the options Austin Bay as been discussing. Some think its a good idea...
Posted by: 3dc   2008-08-15 20:52  

#11  ION WAFF.com > IRAN WANTS GORGIA/GEORGIA BACK = IRAN GAMBLES WITH GEORGIA CRISIS [c/o ASIA TIMES].

Tehran is watching the Georgian Crisis very closely which has broader/strategic REGIONAL implications for Iran, includ vv CASPIAN-BLACK SEA REGIONS [Persian-Ottoman Empire]???
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2008-08-15 20:27  

#10  Somebody needs to ask Russia how a relative few missile interceptors are going to change the balance of power relative to their overall missile count. I'm beginning to think they may be more like Saddam than Hitler -- talking tough in hopes nobody will see their vulnerability behind it. Perhaps they can't afford to maintain many of their missiles. They sure can't afford another arms race.
Posted by: Darrell   2008-08-15 20:12  

#9  Poland is a different scenerio than Georgia. They are a member of NATO and if we back down NATO dissolves. Russia is testing NATO's resolve here by using the Chinese tactic of a rogue general saying wild things to get a reaction.

Bush should flat out ask Putin is this the official policy of the Government of Russia, to directly threaten the NATO military alliance? Or is this the ravings of a mad man?
Posted by: rjschwarz   2008-08-15 12:19  

#8  Ooh, you devious bastard!!!
I love how you think.


I have not seen it addressed yet, but I wonder how the emerging bourgeoisie class of russia feels about worldwide isolation and trade restrictions? I wonder if they have enough political clout to even affect this course?
Posted by: bigjim-ky   2008-08-15 11:29  

#7  
We don't need to respond in theater to respond.


Posted by: flash91   2008-08-15 11:09  

#6  We didn't have the forces or time to respond in Georgia. All we can do is try to stop the bleeding.
Poland, however, is a different story. Easy to bring planes, tanks and ships in, member of an existing alliance and vital ally in Europe. If Ivan sticks his toe across the border, I bet there will be some pissed off GIs with a meat cleaver ready to cut it off.
Posted by: DarthVader   2008-08-15 11:03  

#5  We aren't willing to do anything in Georgia, its a safe bet we will sit out an attack on poland or ukraine.

Not responding in force is a huge mistake.
Posted by: flash91   2008-08-15 10:47  

#4  Good job Vlad! You've managed to piss off 700 million of the richest, most technically advanced people on the planet.

I think Russian export earnings have just peaked and will experience a decades long decline. Perhaps they can make up for it by exporting runway models.
Posted by: ed   2008-08-15 10:44  

#3  So how does the threat of a nuclear attack resonate in the UN?
Posted by: bigjim-ky   2008-08-15 09:56  

#2  Ooh, look who's got some pubes all of a sudden. I think they may be biting off a little more than they can chew for their big debut though.
Posted by: bigjim-ky   2008-08-15 09:52  

#1  Schoolyard bully, nothing else. Immature, stunted. That's it.
Posted by: Spike Uniter   2008-08-15 08:37  

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