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Bailout prevents Great Depression 2.0
2008-09-23
What would be the dollar cost of not bailing out Wall Street?

Try a number north of $30 trillion.
What would be the dollar cost of not bailing out Wall Street? Try a number north of $30 trillion. (The awful math is detailed below.) That's why Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke were so scared last week. And, yes, I think "scared" isn't too strong a word. You don't think they convened an emergency nighttime meeting of congressional leaders and then walked out with something close to a blank check for a trillion bucks because they thought we were headed for an outright recession, even a fairly nasty one?

Nope, I think they believed, and got Congress to believe, that the economy was on the verge of something far worse than the worst downturn in a generation. And that is why they went with the so-called nuclear option: the biggest financial bailout in history. In the words of JPMorgan Chase economist James Glassman, "Thankfully, we and our friends around the world who are watching the economic lights come on will never know where events would have led, if the clock had not stopped [last] Thursday afternoon.... Last week's events made the 1987 stock market crash look like child's play."

As plumbers say about pricey repairs, "Sure, it costs money. It costs money because it saves you money." And plumber in chief Paulson had a pretty big pipe, loaded with toxic debt, to unclog.

OK, let's run the numbers. Paulson is asking for $700 billion. But that massive amount doesn't include previous government actions to cure the credit crisis (like propping up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac), nor does it take into account money the government may get back from selling the bad assets it will be purchasing. So let's say those situations cancel each other out, and we are really talking about $700 billion. Now that money is being borrowed. So you take $700 billion borrowed for 30 years at prevailing interest rates, and you are talking about $2.5 trillion. But as Paulson said last week, "I am convinced that this bold approach will cost American families far less than the alternative: a continuing series of financial institution failures and frozen credit markets unable to fund economic expansion."

Now let's do the math on the "alternatives." What would doing nothing cost?

1) Scenario 1: Great Depression "Lite." This is supposed to be the worst financial crisis since the 1930s. So let's assume that the total freezing up of American and global credit markets caused something half as bad as the Great Depression. From 1930 through 1933, the U.S. economy shrank by about 25 percent. Now let's say that by doing nothing and letting Mr. Market do his worst, the $12 trillion U.S. economy shrinks by half that amount (12.5 percent), or around $1.5 trillion over four years. (Also, figure a near doubling in unemployment.) But there's also the opportunity cost of not returning to growth, even at a so-so 2.0 percent a year. Doing nothing costs $1.1 trillion more in lost growth. So now we are down $2.6 trillion.

But wait: There's more. Let's assume the stock market drops an additional 25 percent or so. That's $3 trillion more in lost market capitalization. Plus, we are forgoing the opportunity to gain back what we have lost in the market, about $3 trillion. So, add the $6 million in lost market capitalization to the lost economic output, and we are at $8.6 trillion.

Then there is housing, already down $5 trillion, or roughly 20 percent. Let's conservatively say that we lose another $5 trillion by doing nothing. Plus, we forgo a partial rebound, say, $2.5 trillion. Adding together further housing losses (plus the lost opportunity to recoup some losses), and we are talking about a total cost of doing nothing of $15 trillion in four years for the whole megillah. But it could be worse.

2) Scenario 2: Great Depression 2.0. The economy shrinks by 25 percent over four years, or $3.2 trillion, plus $1.1 trillion in lost opportunity growth. Economic cost: $4.3 trillion. The market falls two thirds from its peak, losing $7 trillion in value from its current level, plus $3 trillion from not getting a rebound. Stock market cost: $10 trillion. Housing falls an additional $10 trillion from current levels, plus the lost opportunity of $2.5 trillion from a rebound. Housing cost: $12.5 trillion. Total four-year financial and economic cost of doing nothing: $26.8 trillion.

Now this is all a very rough guesstimate and doesn't include the costs of all sorts of other ramifications. Here is a fun one: the dissolution of China. Its economy is built for hypergrowth. A dramatically rising standard of living is both keeping the Communist Party in power and keeping the country together. Neither might survive a global economic meltdown. What is the economic impact of that? I don't know. My guesstimator just blew up.

Bottom line: Lots of folks have problems with the bailout. Liberals don't like a government bailout of Wall Street (instead of more homeowner help). Conservatives don't like a government bailout of Wall Street (vs. letting the market have its way). In a commentary on the National Review website, Newt Gingrich shows great skepticism toward the Mother of All Bailouts, advising that Congress "had better ask a lot of questions before it shifts this much burden to the taxpayer and shifts this much power to a Washington bureaucracy." He also presents several other actions government could take: 1) suspend the mark-to-market accounting rule; 2) repeal the Sarbanes-Oxley law; 3) eliminate the capital-gains tax; 4) undertake an "all of the above" energy plan to keep at home $500 billion of the $700 billion we currently send overseas for imported energy.

Count me as "all of the above" for Gingrich's ideas. (Toss in a corporate tax cut while you're at it.) But what would have been a smart, free-market plan in August 2007 or March of this year isn't enough for right now. Just as government created the environment for the credit crisis, it failed to enact quick solutions. The situation has gone critical. It's time for shock and awe.

Posted by:lotp

#20  Keep some sheep in the yard in case you need to go buy a case of beer. I keep a Ford pickup in driveway for that!
Posted by: Gerthudion Glaith5839   2008-09-23 22:57  

#19  As a citizen I would be much more comfortable with any bailout IF ....
If a requirement is that TAX HAVENS like the Caymen's and Isle of Man open up their books to the US people, government and the FBI...
Like WHO had stashed WHAT MONEY there.
Posted by: 3dc   2008-09-23 20:10  

#18  3DC, I'm MBKs mate.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2008-09-23 19:56  

#17  FoxNews says McCain is leaning to vote NO and if he does - rest of party will follow him and not Bush.
Posted by: 3dc   2008-09-23 19:12  

#16  Bright Pebbles is a very good accountant. He even figured out where money was moving in the UK's bloated government system for one of their "Taxpayer Unions".

Keep that in context with his statements.
I have been chatting with him about this very storm brewing for years.
Posted by: 3dc   2008-09-23 18:57  

#15  Just send Bright Pebbles 699 billion dollars and he will fix it all for a billion less!

The sum of the parts of these companies is worth more than the whole. These companies are bankrupt.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2008-09-23 18:42  

#14  No bailout necessary. The houses with bad mortgages are still standing, therefore, they wait and sell them for less, which will make the dollar stronger. For the democrats part, they need to get this out of the news before all Americans find who is to blame. Democrats all.

Once again, Bush is on the wrong side. Idiot !
Posted by: lollypop   2008-09-23 17:01  

#13  Maybe Ron Paul was right and we should return to a medieval barter economy. Keep some sheep in the yard in case you need to go buy a case of beer. Could work.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2008-09-23 16:44  

#12  Bailout prevents Great Depression 2.0

Lets just give it 90 days and see.
Posted by: Besoeker   2008-09-23 16:43  

#11  > Bailout prevents Great Depression 2.0

what a load of shite.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2008-09-23 16:40  

#10  "There is a very long way to go before that happens, and a lot of pain on the way to that point. No politician can say that without getting lynched -- this is the third rail of this election year."

Right on AH. And this is just the most recent example of the cowardice of our political class in dealing the truth to the electorate.

The most egregious example is that we've only begun the correction of the public's expectation of lifestyle for a given amount of work as a result of globalizing the workforce - a correction that has been overdue since the 1970's. No politician would address that issue for fear of being run out of office, although most knew dealing with it was inevitable and tried to mitigate it (the wrong way) by turning a blind eye to illegal immigration, instead of being honest with the American public and working through the changes.

In a similar way, it has been evident for a shorter but not insignificant time that the public's expectation of housing was way out of line with what could be realistically sustained. Ditto for the "value" of people's house. And the politicians have been just as cowardly on this issue as they were dealing with the implications of global labor markets, until the bomb was exploding in everyone's face.

Perhaps there is no politician with the stones to tell the American people the truth about issues such as these. Yes, if there were, he'd probably get booted from office, but he'd plant the seed into the public's consciousness, and when they eventually got it, everyone would look back and he'd be heralded as a hero (that legacy thing politicians are supposed to care about so much?). Maybe there aren't any politicians for whom that will offset the money and graft they can get merely by staying in office.
Posted by: no mo uro   2008-09-23 15:41  

#9  Gee, and I thought the "smartest guys in the room" were at Enron.
You mean they are now in Washington and Wall St.? When were they paroled?
Posted by: Jack is Back!   2008-09-23 15:07  

#8  The guy makes a fundamental mistake: he's computing the lost opportunity costs using numbers based on the pseueo-growth created by the problem he is purportedly solving.

I think his numbers for shrinkage of the economy are correct, so the bail-out is a plus, just not as big a bargain as he thinks.

I think Anonymoose is right and that we should let private enterprise bail us out of this one.
Posted by: Ptah   2008-09-23 15:05  

#7  You'll be seeing lots of justifications in the coming weeks and months. Just remember that the people making the statements have a vested interest.
Posted by: mojo   2008-09-23 12:54  

#6  We still have war debt, deficits, social security, outsourced workers and manufacturing, oil prices, borrowing from China etc.

How can we fix anything when all the jobs are being sent overseas and everything we buy is made in China??
Posted by: Glinetle McGurque6029   2008-09-23 12:10  

#5  What a mess! If anything, I think all it does is delay the Great Depression 2.0.
Posted by: Glinetle McGurque6029   2008-09-23 12:07  

#4  Once again, let me bring in the concept of "real" versus "imaginary" multi-leveraged money. The "core economy" of the US is based in real money industries, and must be protected at all costs. The imaginary money economy is one of speculation and unregulated excess.

Unfortunately, like drug lords, the imaginary economy speculators try very hard to launder their speculation through core industries.

And even though it is not a core industry, the best example of this was when AOL merged with Time-Warner. An "imaginary" company merging with a "real" company.

Knowing better, as soon as the merger was done, the AOL executives dumped every share they had in the combined enterprise, massively looting Time-Warner.

The way to defend against this, as I have recently suggested, is very high-denomination "protected" currency controlled by the US government. Core companies would be issued bills that would be fully backed, from $100k to $10M, but could only be redeemed or transferred with permission from *that company to another authorized company*, not individuals.

Right now, many companies are hoarding cash, and only loaning it at high premium rates. But a company with protected bills could get guaranteed loans up to say 95% of their paper, again with government permission. This would give them the loans they needed to continue to function.

It would in turn provide "safe credit" that could be used for business operations but NOT for leverage or speculation.

Importantly, only a required base amount of protected money would have to be kept by a core industry, so it could still have open play with imaginary money, which while it can be abused is still a very important part of a stable economy.

In turn, this would not immediately kill unprotected industries, yet permit the rather brutal correction they most likely still have to face. The bottom line being to create insulation between them and the core industries.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2008-09-23 12:04  

#3  This is such a garbage article, I simply do not know where to begin. His whole premise is that people who borrow too much money to bet the wrong way should be bailed out, or there will be dire consequences.

The reality is that overleveraged corporations that make wrong-way bets ought to be allowed to fail, as they have been in the past. There will always be other pools of capital available to pick up the pieces. I trust owner investors like Warren Buffett and T. Boone Pickens to run these places, post-liquidation, a lot more than I trust the hedge fund manager-wannabes who currently run them. Note that big chunks of bankrupt Lehman will continue to operate, having already been bought up by other companies. And all this without any cost to the taxpayer. Doing Japan-style bailouts will not only not stop stock market declines, it will ensure Japanese-style multi-decade economic stagnation.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2008-09-23 11:43  

#2  This garbage just proves one thing. Having shit for brains gets one nowhere. I don't know how this mess gets resolved, but it is becoming quite clear that a majority of ordinary citizens oppose this bailout. I hope they all rail at their Senators and Representatives. Yesterday I sent some "very hot" emails to mine. Today, when I have time, I'm calling them and I'm even more upset today than I was yesterday.
Posted by: Woozle Elmeter 2700   2008-09-23 11:19  

#1  There are so many assumptions in this estimate that I got lost in them after the 4th or 5th one. If I trusted my assumptions that much, I'd be playing the stock market now rather than reading Rantburg. One thing I'm sure of: housing prices will have to fall to levels matching historical ones, with respect to incomes of creditworthy would-be house buyers -- and there is a very long way to go before that happens, and a lot of pain on the way to that point. No politician can say that without getting lynched -- this is the third rail of this election year. The US will have to get into a line of work different from that of selling real estate to ourselves at ever increasing prices.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418   2008-09-23 09:27  

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