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Germany: Foreign Minister wants commandos out of Afghanistan
2008-10-04
German Foreign Minister Steinmeier said in an interview he wants to scrap the Afghanistan mandate for German commandos, thus ending Germany's contribution to the US-led force fighting terrorism in the region. In an interview with news magazine Der Spiegel, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said the hundred elite German soldiers stationed in Afghanistan since 2001 have not been deployed "a single time."
Interesting.
That's disappointing but not surprising. The Germans simply haven't been willing to carry their weight.
The troops are part of the US-led "Operation Enduring Freedom" charged with fighting terrorism. The force is deeply controversial because of mounting civilian casualties in its fight against the Taliban.
Considering that increased enemy activity is causing the "mounting" civilian casualties, this "argument" is a ridiculous bit of sophistry.
The minister said he was in favour of removing the elite forces when the parliament debates in November whether to extend the mandate of Germany's participation in "Operation Enduring Freedom."

Instead, Steinmeier said, the "clear focus" for Berlin was to extend the number of German soldiers in Afghanistan under the NATO-led multinational International Security and Assistance Force (ISAF). On Tuesday, the German parliament, in a special session, is to debate raising German troop levels by 1,000 to 4,500 soldiers. We can't "constantly raise our contribution without critically assessing existing commitments," Steinmeier told the magazine.
Makes sense in a way: if you won't let the commandos fight then why have them there? If the job of the German solider is to be security guard and social worker, put the commandos somewhere else. How 'bout Somalia? Or Darfur?
Steinmeier joins a growing chorus of German politician calling for a rethink of Germany's involvement in Afghanistan.
WHAT involvement? Their ROEs are so restrictive they're barely useful other than as a symbol, IIUC. Or have those ROEs changed recently? And are they trained and equipped to contribute to real combat? Or is this another case of Germany wanting credit when things are going well and disavowing participation when there's real work to be done?
On Saturday, The Christian Social (CSU), the Bavarian sister party of Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative Christian Democratic Party, went further, urging the chancellor to come up with an exit strategy for the German army in Afghanistan.
Perhaps John McCain ought to bring this up at a debate?
The chairman of the CSU's parliamentary group, Peter Ramsauer said that was the only way the extension of Germany's Afghanistan mandate for another year could be justified and would get "some support" from citizens.

Ramsauer added he hoped experts weren't right in predicting that the mission in Afghanistan would last for 10 to 15 years. "It will become all the more shorter if we begin to understand that the problems in Afghanistan can never be solved militarily alone," he said.
Posted by:mrp

#8  Hey Germany,
Why don't you redeploy to Wiesbaden, and OUR armored division there can redeploy to Fort Hood, Fort Riley, Fort Carson, Fort Lewis, or any of the other facilities we have in THIS country for our troops? Maybe we can cut US troop levels so there's only one airbase (Ramstein) and one Army unit (not really sure what's left...), and you can begin building up for your OWN defense. And hey, it's been nice knowing you, really. BTW, watch out for that bear - he's got a MEAN bite. Or maybe you already know that.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2008-10-04 17:24  

#7  I suspect that'll occur not just with German troops but with US ones, especially after Pakistan stops being a conduit for supplies.
Posted by: Tranquil Mechanical Yeti   2008-10-04 13:28  

#6  I suspect they're not going to leave until they set up a couple "Bay of Pigs" scenarios where their troops get sent off to be slaughtered by incompetent officers to "prove" they were defeated on the battlefield and Can't Win And Must Withdraw.
Posted by: Tranquil Mechanical Yeti   2008-10-04 13:27  

#5  I would argue that philosophically the Germans are Romantic pessimists, who think of themselves as deep, pure, hidden mountain lakes that must be protected from those who would come to pollute the water and ravage the landscape. Which is, of course, bloody nonsense. This is a country which, I was told, has legal rulings on which vehicle is entitled to the parking space when they approach simultaneously from opposite directions (it's the one that would turn right to get into the spot, if I recall correctly). It is not realistic to sue someone over such a thing, even on a Saturday morning at the grocery store when spaces are impossible to find.
Posted by: trailing wife   2008-10-04 13:14  

#4  Yes, that's what I suspect as well NS.  I'd say 'what I fear' except that I'm not particularly surprised.
Posted by: lotp   2008-10-04 12:47  

#3  This was part of their Rapallo Pact commitment to Russia.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2008-10-04 12:10  

#2  Hey Steinmeier, we can deploy their dead asses if you allow us to. No need to be barracks queens. Or do you just need them at home in case your coddled Muzz decide to attack you pitifully soft pussies ?
Posted by: Woozle Elmeter 2700   2008-10-04 11:34  

#1  Philosophically, Germans are pessimistic, but also realistic. While they might make a bold strike, it tends to be so hesitant that the momentum is lost. Their only really come into their own when in the defense, where they can be truly ferocious.

This is worsened by intrusive politicians directing the military leadership. They fancy themselves elites who inherently know more about military operations than soldiers.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2008-10-04 09:38  

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