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Jewish-Arab clashes hit Israeli town

2008-10-11

Police clashed with Jewish protesters in Acre yesterday as Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni travelled to the northern Israeli city to appeal for calm after two days of clashes between Arab and Jews.
The danger you run when you rely on a policy of "all intifada all the time" is that the Hated Zionists have limits to their patience and are quite as capable as Arabs -- probably moreso -- in carrying out their own intifada. I'm not in favor of a base policy of mindless violence, which is why I spend lotsa time viewing the Paleostinians with contempt. On the other hand, I did a quick count many years ago to determine the number of cheeks I have available to turn. Most people have roughly the same number.
Police fired a water cannon at the crowd of about 200 people as some demonstrators hurled bottles and stones at security forces. Chanting "death to Arabs," the protesters were headed from a predominantly Jewish neighbourhood to the house of an Arab when police intervened.

The incident took place just hours after Livni, who is trying to form a new government and replace outgoing Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, travelled to Acre, where she issued what she said was "a message of reconciliation and cooperation to calm tempers within the population."

Police deployed an additional 500 officers to help the 200-strong local force after violence broke out on Wednesday night as Jews observed Yom Kippur, or Day of Atonement. "We have also raised our level of alert throughout the country so that similar incidents do not occur again in Acre, or elsewhere," police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld told AFP.

Israeli President Shimon Peres also appealed for calm. "Jews and Arabs must stop immediately this violence which will not benefit anyone," he said in a statement.
"And hollering 'Death to the Great Beelzebub' just sounds dumb."
Two protesters and a police officer have been lightly wounded. Twelve people -- Arabs and Jews -- have been arrested since the first clashes broke out, Rosenfeld said. About 100 cars and 40 stores were damaged by Arab demonstrators, he said.

Rosenfeld said the initial unrest erupted when an Arab motorist drove into a neighbourhood where Arabs and Jews live, playing his car stereo loudly. A group of Jewish youths assaulted the driver, accusing him of deliberately making noise and disrupting the sanctity of Yom Kippur, when most Jews in Israel observe a religious ban on driving. "Rumours then spread out, namely from mosques, claiming that the motorist had been killed, prompting several hundred Arabs to take to the streets," Rosenfeld said.

Clashes started again on Thursday, when rioters from both sides hurled rocks at each other and the police used tear gas to disperse them, media reported. Football matches planned for the weekend were cancelled as was an annual theatre festival that was to be held next week and which usually draws thousands of visitors to the Mediterranean coastal city, media reported.

Posted by:Fred

#8 "Reconciliation and cooperation" eh?

That's worked so well with Arabs in the past, hasn't it?

Force is all they understand. If Arabs start trouble, shoot them down in the street. Expel the survivors and all relatives to Gaza after government seizure of all assets. They'll get the message.

More important, Israeli government, is that YOU get the message. That message is that THE ARABS HATE YOU AND WANT ALL OF YOU DEAD OR ENSLAVED. Your Jewish population is going to have to work together to just stay alive. Turning on them to protect Arabs is absolutely insane. It won't take much of that to dishearten your friends, embolden your enemies, and seriously diminish your already damaged chance of long-term survival.

Posted by: Jolutch Mussolini7800 2008-10-11 11:22

#7 Everything Ptah said, except that jihad has certain and particularly defined parameters of Islam, and the conceptualization of "God" from their perspective, which is akin to Baal. The first Americans were operating from a sold Judeo-Christian foundation and worldview. So the fundamentals actually are different, but I find it interesting that Ptah upholds those very Judeo-Christian principles in resistance to Baal and jihad.

Posted by: ex-lib 2008-10-11 11:20

#6 arg. I forgot my key point in the preceeding comment.

Given that our rights come from God and unalienable, any violation or usurpation of them is not to be tolerated. We establish governments to ensure that responses to those violations and usurpations are justly administered, and do not, as a side effect, violate the rights of the uninvolved. Deliberate Failure to act is to effectively act through proxies: that is the essence of the Declaration's claim that British inaction against (and thus encouragement of) Indian incursions was effectively action against the colonies.

The American people of that day were very religious, and thus had bought into the "divine right of kings" swill that was being propagated to maintain the system. The intent of such swill was to convince them that God did not give them permission to rebel against the King, who was appointed by Divine mandate. By the appeal to the Creator, Jefferson and the signers were arguing that God gave them permission to rebel against a corrupt and vicious government, but only with the aim of establishing a new one that would honor God-granted unalienable rights.

One third was not convinced, and remained loyal to the King.

One third decided not to decide so sat the war out.

One third bought into the argument, and acted accordingly.

That was enough.

Posted by: Ptah 2008-10-11 06:52

#5 So, the Israelis can muster a quick and harsh response to a Jewish riot, but is strangely absent (or solicitous) in the face of a palestinian one?

The points of establishing governments, police forces, armies, and courts of Law, is to prevent the root causes of these riots. If one side is allowed to steal, destroy, maim and murder in violation of law, without response, while the victims, when they respond in kind, meet with the kind of response that the first group deserved, then those "forces of righteousness" cease to be legitimate. THAT is the essence of the Declaration of Independence.

I have been coming to a realization that the Declaration of Independence is, at core, a Jihadist document in the core sense of the term.

Hear me out for a moment. Jihad is God directed and God authorized armed conflict. "Thou Shalt not Murder" is suspended. Permission is granted to act militarily and violently to restore the situation to a God-approved state.

Of course, the problem is "which God?" However, the Declaration defines the God who authorizes Jihad, and sets the parameters: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Thus, do I approve of this riot that was intended to kill an arab? No.

Do I approve of a future riot that would assault those government officials who refuse to carry out their duties impartially and efficiently, with an aim to force them to do their damn jobs to secure their citizen's safety and happiness?

You betcha!

Right action. Wrong target.

Posted by: Ptah 2008-10-11 06:42

#4 Sounds like a global pattern all around the western world.

Posted by: anonymous5089 2008-10-11 06:03

#3 Sounds like the situation in another country I know, anon5089.

Posted by: lotp 2008-10-11 05:32

#2 Yet, any violence by the joooooooooos will be seen by the "international community" (read : the western Enlightened Elites and their mass-media indoctrination tools) as much more damning than the basest acts from the paleos. And, the joooooooish Enlightened Elites themselves will stomp down hard on it. No prisoner exchanges for any coming jailed israeli domestic Freedom Fighter.

Posted by: anonymous5089 2008-10-11 02:51

#1 They are bringing us down to their level.

Posted by: Penguin 2008-10-11 00:52

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