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Democrats' Assault to Redistribue Your Wealth Begins
2008-10-23
House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks
Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nation's $3 trillion 401(k) system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401(k) investors receive.

House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-California, and Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Washington, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee's Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, are looking at redirecting those tax breaks to a new system of guaranteed retirement accounts to which all workers would be obliged to contribute.
Don't we already have one of those?
A plan by Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic-policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, contains elements that are being considered. She testified last week before Miller's Education and Labor Committee on her proposal.

At that hearing, the director of the Congressional Budget Office, Peter Orszag, testified that some $2 trillion in retirement savings has been lost over the past 15 months.
Thanks, Barney and Chris ...
Under Ghilarducci's plan, all workers would receive a $600 annual inflation-adjusted subsidy from the U.S. government but would be required to invest 5 percent of their pay into a guaranteed retirement account administered by the Social Security Administration. The money in turn would be invested in special government bonds that would pay 3 percent a year, adjusted for inflation.
Just like the current SS system, all the money goes into the bonds the government has to issue to cover deficit spending. Which means the government would have more money available to spend. Sounds like the Democrats alright ...
The current system of providing tax breaks on 401(k) contributions and earnings would be eliminated. "I want to stop the federal subsidy of 401(k)s," Ghilarducci said in an interview. "401(k)s can continue to exist, but they won't have the benefit of the subsidy of the tax break."
And I want Ghilarducci run out of town on a rail ...
Under the current 401(k) system, investors are charged relatively high retail fees, Ghilarducci said. "I want to spend our nation's dollar for retirement security better. Everybody would now be covered" if the plan were adopted, Ghilarducci said.
Who the hell cares what she wants? She's one citizen. I like the 401K plans precisely because government can't get its hands on them.
She has been in contact with Miller and McDermott about her plan, and they are interested in pursuing it, she said. "This [plan] certainly is intriguing," said Mike DeCesare, press secretary for McDermott. "That is part of the discussion," he said.

While Miller stopped short of calling for Ghilarducci's plan at the hearing last week, he was clearly against continuing tax breaks as they currently exist. "The savings rate isn't going up for the investment of $80 billion," he said. "We have to start to think about ... whether or not we want to continue to invest that $80 billion for a policy that's not generating what we now say it should."
Of course it's generating what it should. It's making people less dependent on government for their retirement. Once you understand that, you understand why the Democrats want to get rid of it.
"From where I sit that's just crazy," said John Belluardo, president of Stewardship Financial Services Inc. in Tarrytown, New York. "A lot of people contribute to their 401(k)s because of the match of the employer," he said. Belluardo's firm does not manage assets directly.

Higher-income employers provide matching funds to employee plans so that they can qualify for tax benefits for their own defined-contribution plans, he said. "If the tax deferral goes away, the employers have no reason to do the matches, which primarily help people in the lower income brackets," Belluardo said.

"This is a battle between liberalism and conservatism," said Christopher Van Slyke, a partner in the La Jolla, California, advisory firm Trovena, which manages $400 million. "People are afraid because their accounts are seeing some volatility, so Democrats will seize on the opportunity to attack a program where investors control their own destiny," he said.

The Profit Sharing/401(k) Council of America in Chicago, which represents employers that sponsor defined-contribution plans, is "staunchly committed to keeping the employee benefit system in America voluntary," said Ed Ferrigno, vice president in the Washington office. "Some of the tenor [of the hearing last week] that the entire system should be based on the activities of the markets in the last 90 days is not the way to judge the system," he said.

No legislative proposals have been introduced and Congress is out of session until next year. However, most political observers believe that Democrats are poised to gain seats in both the House and the Senate, so comments made by the mostly Democratic members who attended the hearing could be a harbinger of things to come.
"I see the train a-coming, it's comin' down the track ..."
In addition to tax breaks for 401(k)s, the issue of allowing investment advisors to provide advice for 401(k) plans was also addressed at the hearing. Rep. Robert Andrews, D-New Jersey, was critical of Department of Labor proposals made in August that would allow advisors to give individual advice if the advice was generated using a computer model. Andrews characterized the proposals as "loopholes" and said that investment advice should not be given by advisors who have a direct interest in the sale of financial products.

The Pension Protection Act of 2006 contains provisions making it easier for investment advisors to give individualized counseling to 401(k) holders. "In retrospect that doesn't seem like such a good idea to me," Andrews said. "This is an issue I think we have to revisit. I frankly think that the compromise we struck in 2006 is not terribly workable or wise," he said.

On Thursday, October 9, the Department of Labor hastily scheduled a public hearing on the issue in Washington for Tuesday, October 21. The agency does not frequently hold public hearings on its proposals.
Posted by:Beavis

#19  With all of their special plans, we will beankrupt within a week, maybe two. But then the US bond rating drops and all of those govmint checks stop coming. The banks wont lend because the shotgun is pointed at their investors. This reign of holy inequity will bankrupt us. It is far from Just. Pelosi et-al just get on planes and go visit their local tax havens to escape the madness. They have nothing to lose - just get on a plane as Joe scrapps for food on the edges of every cornfield.

This is the most reckless takeover I have ever seen. It is unwise and ill thought at best. It is ruinous in the decades.

Take heed and get rid of it please. We have other problems right now and cannot hold collapsing structures up with bankrupt collegiate ideology.

You had your fun, but there is business to attend to and you are in no way close to "fixing" anything right now.
Posted by: newc   2008-10-23 22:12  

#18  I think you have that backwards, Cheremp the Slender2106.
Posted by: trailing wife    2008-10-23 21:25  

#17  Isn't this essentially what Bush wanted to do and they moaned like it was the end of the world?
Posted by: Cheremp the Slender2106   2008-10-23 21:14  

#16  Post this article at work. Maybe it will swing a few people over to the Republican side.
Posted by: Darrell   2008-10-23 20:54  

#15  What Hellfish said -- I believe this is the red line PTAH was alluding to a couple weeks back. This would push me to being hung for instigating an insurrection.
Posted by: Daffy Phash5086 aka Broadhead6   2008-10-23 20:49  

#14  Time to penalize the people who were foolish enough to save for their retirement.
Posted by: DMFD   2008-10-23 20:17  

#13  Vanguard has never charged me a DIME! These communist bastards will not rest until they have their hands on our 401K's and IRA's.
Posted by: Besoeker   2008-10-23 20:09  

#12  Wait till they follow Argentina's lead and just nationalize the private pension funds [got to cover all those union plans with the Big Three in Detroit folding].

Actually they should start by nationalizing all of the public employee pension funds and putting the lot of them on Social Security. If they did that we'd see action on shoring up the system.
Posted by: AzCat   2008-10-23 20:07  

#11  Get the guns!
Posted by: Hellfish   2008-10-23 20:01  

#10  Under the current 401(k) system, investors are charged relatively high retail fees, Ghilarducci said.

Abslout fucking bullshit lie. Fidelity doesn't charge me jack shit as long as the account balance is over $10,000. These fucking parasites make my blood boil...
Posted by: Raj   2008-10-23 19:25  

#9  Best of the Web noticed...

Ghilarducci outlined her plan last year in a paper for the left-liberal Economic Policy Institute, in which she acknowledges that her plan would amount to a tax increase on workers making more than $75,000--considerably less than the $250,000 Barack Obama has said would be his tax-hike cutoff. In addition, workers would be able to pass on only half of their account balances to their heirs; presumably the government would seize the remaining half. (Under current law, 401(k) balances are fully heritable, although they are subject to the income tax.)

Sounds pretty unappealing, doesn't it? But in her congressional testimony, Ghilarducci offered a sweetener:

"Short-term I propose . . . that the Congress allow workers to swap out their 401(k) assets, perhaps at August levels, for a guaranteed retirement account--just a one-time swap. . . .
How would this work? You go back to your districts and meet up with a 55-year-old who had had $50,000 in his account last month and now has $40,000 in the account. He can swap out that $50,000, valued in August, for that guarantee of what would become, if he retires at 62, a $500 a month addition to Social Security."

A 55-year-old who lost 20% of his 401(k) because of the recent stock market decline was investing more aggressively than he should have, given his age. Ghilarducci proposes to reward this imprudence in exchange for dramatically limiting everyone's ability to take risks (and enjoy the corresponding rewards) and for greatly increasing government control of Americans' retirement funds.

It is by no means a certainty that Congress or a President Obama would embrace such a proposal, but this is a direction in which things may move if the Democrats make big gains next month.
Posted by: tu3031   2008-10-23 16:39  

#8  All those baby boomers that are counting on their 401k are gonna get screwed.
Posted by: DarthVader   2008-10-23 15:38  

#7  "Nationalize" the 401K system? Sounds like they want to turn it into a "National Pension Fund" similar to the 'remarkably well run' union pension funds that are so deep into debt now. The Public Employee Pension Funds, when they run low on cash, simply trigger a tax hike by the respective city or state. See that coming here, too.
Posted by: Mullah Richard   2008-10-23 15:11  

#6  So instead of "privatizing Social Security" they want to "nationalize your 401K"?
Also so nice to see Baghdad Jimmmy has his fingerprints all over this one.
Posted by: tu3031   2008-10-23 15:01  

#5  Sounds like this is to replace that looting.
Posted by: tu3031   2008-10-23 14:55  

#4  I guess looting Social Security isn't enough anymore.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2008-10-23 14:11  

#3  I made a hard rule many years ago.

"If the Government is pushing something, stay well away from whatever it is."
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2008-10-23 13:50  

#2  Many years ago when the IRA was first introduced I asked my then aging, depression era father what he thought of starting one. His reply was simply, "saving money is a good idea, but once in, mind the government's rules changing."
Posted by: Besoeker   2008-10-23 13:35  

#1  Wait till they follow Argentina's lead and just nationalize the private pension funds [got to cover all those union plans with the Big Three in Detroit folding].
Posted by: Procopius2k   2008-10-23 13:26  

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