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| Up to SEVEN gunmen were British and 'came from same area as 7/7 bombers' |
| 2008-11-28 |
| British-born Pakistanis were among the Mumbai terrorists, Indian government sources claimed today, as the death toll rose to at least 150. As many as seven of the terrorists may have British connections and some could be from Leeds and Bradford where London's July 7 bombers lived, one source said. Two Britons were among eight gunmen being held, according to Mumbai's chief minister Vilasrao Deshmukh. At least nine others are reportedly dead. The eight arrested were captured by commandos after they stormed two hotels and a Jewish centre to free hostages today. One security official said: 'There is growing concern about British involvement in the attacks.' At the Oberoi Hotel, the siege ended when two militants were shot dead. Dozens of traumatised guests emerged unharmed but inside there were scenes of carnage and the bodies of another 24 victims. Mumbai officials say more than 150 people in total have now died in the attacks. Another 370 were wounded. The bodies of another five hostages were found dead inside the Nariman House Jewish Centre this afternoon after commandos finally secured the building. Two militants were also killed. It is not known whether the Rabbi and his wife who were believed to be among the hostages are dead or alive. Around 20 masked officers had raided the centre this morning, dropping from helicopters onto the roof, in an operation dubbed Operation Black Tornado. Hours of heavy fighting ensued as they moved from floor after floor. As dusk fell, there was a massive explosion and it appeared to be over. However, at the five-star Taj Mahal Hotel across the city, officers were still battling up to six militants believed to be holed up in the ballroom. The Indian authorities thought they had ended the siege there last night after they shot dead three terrorists and released hundreds of hostages but it raged again today. In a major army operation, soldiers threw grenades at the walls in a bid to smoke out the militants. Four bystanders were reported wounded in the crossfire. Across at the Oberoi Hotel, traumatised guests were struggling to absorb their ordeal. Many had been locked in their rooms, terrified, for 41 hours while the gunmen rampaged. Today, around 100 were rescued after two militants were shot dead. One man was clutching a tiny baby in his arms as he walked out. British lawyer Mark Abell emerged with a beaming smile, saying: 'I'm going home, I'm going to see my wife. ' The 51-year-old told how he had spent the night listening to gunshots and explosions and communicating with the outside world on his phone and Blackberry. Describing the scene when he was eventually led to safety, he said it was 'carnage' with 'blood and guts everywhere'. 'I was supposed to be working in Delhi but I think I have had more than my fair share of my business trip so I am looking forward to going home to see my family,' he said. A number of the hostages were airline staff still wearing their Lufthansa and Air France uniforms when they emerged from the building. As they came out some carried luggage with Canadian flags, and two women were dressed in black abayas, traditional Muslim women's garments. Others were not so lucky. Reported dead tonight was an American and his 13-year-old daughter as well as the wife and two children of the Taj hotel's general manager. Foreigners from Japan, Australia, Italy and Germany and one Briton - tycoon Andreas Liveras - have already been confirmed as among the victims. There are fears the British toll could yet rise further as more and more buildings are made stable and searched. Earlier, one commando revealed he had seen around 50 bodies littering the Taj hotel floor after special officers stormed the building and rescued hundreds of guests. Clad in black, with a mask covering his face, the unit chief said: 'There was blood all over the bodies. The bodies were strewn here and there and we had to be careful as we entered the building to avoid further bloodshed of innocent civilians.' The terrorists had seemed like young, ordinary men but had clearly been very well trained, he said. 'They were wearing T-shirts, just ordinary looking, but they have definitely been trained to use weapons. There is no way they could handle such weapons without being taught how to.' At least nine terrorists are thought to have been shot dead in gun battles across the city as police and special forces tried to regain control. Three arrested at the Taj Mahal have been officially identified as a Pakistani national and two Indians. Another is reported to be a Mauritian national. They arrived in the city by sea before fanning out to at least 10 locations. Dinghies were found moored at a jetty by the famous Gateway to India monument. Today, coast guard officials said they could have hijacked an Indian trawler to drop them off after finding an abandoned boat drifting near the shore. The captain's dead body was found inside the vessel, along with communications equipment. Dressed in jeans and T-shirts and heavily armed, they then headed for the city - which is India's financial centre - and started firing indiscriminately. It is thought they gained entrance to the hotels by pretending to be staff and hotel guests, according to reports. Indian authorities have not released any details about the two Britons and the Foreign Office has refused to confirm Indian television reports. Security services in Britain are now examining images of the gunmen in an effort to identify them. Gordon Brown said he would be speaking to the Indian Prime Minister again today but warned that it was 'too early' to reach any conclusions about British involvement. India's High Commissioner Shiv Shankar Mukherjee added: 'I have seen nothing more than what is in the media and that is based on speculation. i will wait for the investigation to produce some hard facts.' A team of Scotland Yard anti-terrorist detectives and negotiators are now on their way to Mumbai to assist in the investigation. Indian commandos have recovered credit cards and the militants' ID cards as well as seizing a vast arsenal of grenades, AK-47 magazines, shells and knives. A previously unknown Islamic group, Deccan Mujahideen, has claimed responsibility for the attacks but terror experts believe is is linked to Al Qaeda. It is known that dozens of British-born Pakistanis have travelled to Pakistan to train in its camps in recent years. One security source said recently: 'The camps are full and many of the people inside are Brits.' Last night, there was speculation that a British Al Qaeda suspect reportedly killed by a U.S. missile strike in Pakistan last weekend may have helped plot the attacks. Rashid Rauf was among five killed in a missile attack in a tribal area in North Waziristan on Saturday. Security sources believe that at the time of his death Rauf had been planning a major attack on Western targets. Met officers were also interviewing passengers returning from Mumbai as they stepped off planes at Heathrow. There was speculation last night that England cricketers could have been an intended target of the terrorists. It emerged that some of the team had been due to stay in Mumbai, most likely the Taj Mahal, on Wednesday evening before a late decision was made to switch training to Bangalore. Shocked player Michael Vaughan said: 'I don't know why it was switched but we could have been there in one of those hotels when they were attacked. 'All our white Test kit is in one of the rooms at the Taj Mahal hotel: All our pads and clothes for the Test series and our blazers and caps and ties. That's how close the danger is.' The England team will fly back to Britain today. The bloody drama which began on Wednesday night has now lasted almost two days. The targets across the city were: * The Oberoi Hotel, in the commercial district. Its restaurant was bustling with diners, many of them tourists;About 15 police officers were killed, including the head of Mumbai's anti-terrorism unit. India's prime minister Manmohan-Singh has blamed militant groups based outside the country - usually meaning Pakistan - raising fears of renewed tensions between the two nuclear-armed rivals. Pakistan condemned the attacks. The attack on the train station had echoes of previous terror outrages. In July 2006 more than 180 people were killed in seven bomb explosions at railway stations and on trains in Mumbai that were blamed on Islamist militants. |
| Posted by:Fred |
| #17 I think that for the ISI to use British Pakistanis was brilliant. The notion that the Brits would attack India in order to blame Pakistan would actually carry some weight among the Muhammadans and some of the wackier leftists (and Indians!). That kind of nonsense plays very well. I'd guess that the attackers carried in exactly what they were told to carry in. |
| Posted by: James 2008-11-28 23:49 |
| #16 There is always the Free Baluchistan option. |
| Posted by: phil_b 2008-11-28 21:24 |
| #15 I understand the Pak-Afghan nexus, but I guess what I'm asking is that if Pakistan doesn't exist, what issues to we have with Afghanistan that we don't already have? Can India and Afghanistan agree on a common border? |
| Posted by: Jeremiah Thaise1218 2008-11-28 18:30 |
| #14 Phil. Do you remember how Islamist goy emboldened about Afghanistan in Soviet times? Withdraw from Afghanistan and they will eb emboldened ten times more. And they will go grow ten times more. Also do you remember the unwinnable Iraki war? Finally why are we tied with Pakistan. In part because there was a time when India flrted with Soviet Union. |
| Posted by: JFM 2008-11-28 18:04 |
| #13 What am I missing? Afghanistan As long as the unwinnable Afghan war continues, the USA will be beholden to Pakistan. |
| Posted by: phil_b 2008-11-28 16:53 |
| #12 I'm sure there are volumes written in answer to this question - but what is wrong with India, and I mean it in the sense of why are US relations seemingly balanced between India and Pakistan? I realize the history following the end of the Raj and through the cold war, but what presently argues against extremely close US-Indian relations? How is that disentangled from the question of Pakistan's ongoing existence as an independent nation? What am I missing? |
| Posted by: Jeremiah Thaise1218 2008-11-28 16:42 |
| #11 Going sterile is a basic action for an operation like this and it was not done. The ISI is really incompetent if they were involved and left a trail like this. Why? I mean, what the ISI _wants_ may be different from what you or I want. Yes, going in sterile would be more professional, but when was the last time we sent thirty agents somewhere to kill as many civilians as possible in the process of getting themselves killed? |
| Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2008-11-28 16:00 |
| #10 Tell me again why we think Pakland has a future? |
| Posted by: DarthVader 2008-11-28 15:28 |
| #9 Going sterile is a basic action for an operation like this and it was not done. The ISI is really incompetent if they were involved and left a trail like this. To Be Determined. |
| Posted by: tipover 2008-11-28 14:12 |
| #8 Best regards to the Indian security forces. |
| Posted by: Abu Uluque 2008-11-28 13:33 |
| #7 Pakistan has no future as a country. |
| Posted by: Bright Pebbles 2008-11-28 13:20 |
| #6 The attacks have all the signs of being directed by Pakistan's ISI intelligence agency, a former head of India's Intelligence Bureau, Arun Bhagat, tells the BBC. He suggests it was a bid to sabotage rapprochement between the two governments With the help of Le T!!!! |
| Posted by: Paul2 2008-11-28 13:19 |
| #5 Appears they left cell phones and credit cards behind. Didn't bother going sterile, unless the left behind items were bogus pocket litter, which I doubt. Might be interesting to run credit card account checks and track cell phone numbers called and recieved, etc. Hope none of these lads were political campaign contributors. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2008-11-28 13:13 |
| #4 These peoople are not british but unemployed scum/pakis whose ambition in life is to kill for Allah.We must look at where theit ideology/hate comes from-SAUDI ARABIA!!!! |
| Posted by: Paul2 2008-11-28 13:13 |
| #3 How did the terrorists get so much stuff into the hotel? There are more chapters to this story. Stay tuned. |
| Posted by: Richard of Oregon 2008-11-28 12:54 |
| #2 And how soon are we planning on shutting down GITMO again...........? |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2008-11-28 12:45 |
| #1 What a horror... and the ironies just abound. Today, I re-worked an old post of mine, long gone in an unreachable MT archive, posted here. This truly seems to have been India's 9/11... I guess Obama the Chosen one has his crisis all set out for him, a bit sooner than he expected. |
| Posted by: Sgt. Mom 2008-11-28 12:39 |