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| ABC News Outs Waterboarding Architects |
| 2009-05-01 |
| As the secrets about the CIA's interrogation techniques continue to come out, there's new information about the frequency and severity of their use, contradicting an 2007 ABC News report, and a new focus on two private contractors who were apparently directing the brutal sessions that President Obama calls torture. According to current and former government officials, the CIA's secret waterboarding program was designed and assured to be safe by two well-paid psychologists now working out of an unmarked office building in Spokane, Washington. Bruce Jessen and Jim Mitchell, former military officers, together founded Mitchell Jessen and Associates. Both men declined to speak to ABC News citing non-disclosure agreements with the CIA. But sources say Jessen and Mitchell together designed and implemented the CIA's interrogation program. MSM and Big Zero are all about going after people whose interegation methods saved the lives of Americans. But MSM and Obama says there is nothing wrong with Big Zero releasing the master mind behind the killing of 19 of our sailors in the USS Cole bombing. |
| Posted by:Angineling Phaiting6120 |
| #12 Well said JAB. Very well said. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2009-05-01 20:53 |
| #11 I keep thinking of Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men. We are such a humane country that we had all sorts of due process to figure out safe ways to coerce info as a last resort. Yet, these leftists we elected (largely because the economy tanked right before an election) seem to think that offering up those involved as a sacrifice to the 'international community' will somehow make them stop hating us. It disgusts me. The 'cannot handle the truth.' To me the most depressing moments in the WoT (Post 9/11 anyway) are when we failed to execute Zacharias Mousoui, failed to execute John Walker Lindh and now this witchhunt. We need to be a morally serious society to wage this war. That means we must face up to evil and extinguish it instead of blaming ourselves. |
| Posted by: JAB 2009-05-01 19:19 |
| #10 Yet another distraction from the real news of the day. But, hey, all that talk about the mortgage meltdown and the national debt is really boring. |
| Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 2009-05-01 14:31 |
| #9 Drowning is near impossible in waterboarding. And if cardiac arrest did occur, there were always medical personnel available to assure recovery. Cardiac arrest is more likely when I look at my retirement investments or at BOs budget. These consultants made $1000/day? Not great for consultants--particularly if they shared this fee and paid expenses. Obviously they were not lawyers and didn't understand creative billing concepts. |
| Posted by: JohnQC 2009-05-01 13:53 |
| #8 I blame Frank Lloyd Wright. With this logic, could I sue NAUI? |
| Posted by: swksvolFF 2009-05-01 11:05 |
| #7 Ollie North mentioned SERE on Fox--said he had it. Also, I heard McCain in an interview say his objection to waterborading is it is torture and violates the Geneva Conventions. Perhaps the Senator should read them and see that terrorists aren't in compliance with the conditions set forth. The news had turned into op-eds, losing sight of little things like facts. |
| Posted by: Thealing Borgia 122 2009-05-01 09:53 |
| #6 If you take away all interrogation tactics except asking nicely, you are sure to be just wasting your time asking questions at all. Torture or 'harsh' interrogation may well not give useful information but it gives the subject something to 'resist', leaving him off guard (thinking he's been successful resisting) when your skilled and subtle (or/and chemically-assisted) interrogation occurs. Good cop-bad cop. WTF is wrong with our 'leaders' and media? |
| Posted by: Glenmore 2009-05-01 09:13 |
| #5 Good to see that ABC has zeroed in on the enemy. |
| Posted by: Cyber Sarge 2009-05-01 08:43 |
| #4 Both Mitchell and Jessen were previously involved in the U.S. military program to train pilots how to survive behind enemy lines and resist brutal tactics if captured. That would most likely be Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape or SERE. Pilots and elite forces attend SERE school(s) where various tactics such as water boarding are used on our own men along with the techniques which enable them to survive and defeat the enemy. If you'd like to read a bit about REAL torture I'd highly recommend Andy McNab's best-seller Bravo Two Zero. McNab wrote: "Every major bone in his body was broken, he never got any medical care. He ended up with no teeth, no hair, no muscle mass. He was a mess, but he was alive." No one in the MSM or government mentions SERE or the techniques used in the training of our own forces in training. How interesting. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2009-05-01 07:58 |
| #3 Drowning is near impossible in waterboarding. And if cardiac arrest did occur, there were always medical personnel available to assure recovery. It was never used to gather evidence admissible in court. I would categorize conditioning extreme discomfort as a lesser form of torture even though it is not really pain compliance, however I would condone waterboarding where information gathered could be used to save lives. |
| Posted by: Jans Wittlesbach2039 2009-05-01 07:13 |
| #2 Big Zero has done an evil thing by identifying those men. Evil. |
| Posted by: whatadeal 2009-05-01 05:29 |
| #1 abc needs to get the NYT's Quisling Award and loudly condemned. |
| Posted by: Muggsy Glink 2009-05-01 00:35 |