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| Iraq |
| Former civilian senior adviser to IraqÂ’s MoI talks |
| 2009-07-16 |
| Matthew Degn worked as a civilian interrogator attached to the U.S. Army in Iraq before working as a Senior Policy/Intelligence Adviser to Deputy General Kamal and other top intelligence officials with the Iraq's Ministry of Interior. Degn continues to argue against those that feel there was no link between terrorism and Saddam Hussein's regime based on his involvement with hundreds of interrogations in Iraq and his involvement with many of the Iraqi Intelligence officials with the Ministry of Interior. Degn says that much of the public perception about Saddam Hussein's regime and terrorism are incorrect. When asked about recent media reports citing Saddam Hussein's denial to the FBI about links to al Qaeda Degn viewed these reports as part of an ongoing attempt to rewrite history saying these reports stand in stark contrast to what he saw and heard firsthand in Iraq. In fact, Degn said that to many of the detainees links between Saddam Hussein's regime and terrorist groups including al Qaeda was not even a point of contention but freely acknowledged. Many of the high value detainees took it as a given that their captors were aware of Iraq - al Qaeda links. Some even bragged about those links. When pressed for specifics Degn said that Hussein's regime, like many other Middle Eastern groups, used the "Hawala" system to secretly move money to al Qaeda and made it nearly impossible to "prove" in a legal system that the transfers took place. The "Hawala" system uses multiple layers of middle men couriers to transfer money and leaves no paper trail, making tracing such transactions virtually impossible. Degn said that Iraqi assistance given to al Qaeda also included safehaven. Degn said al Qaeda used that safehaven for at least two training camps in Western Iraq and the Anbar province. Degn argued that Saddam Hussein's government was certainly aware that the provision of safehaven was being used for these camps. Degn said he had heard reports that indicated that al Qaeda affiliates had multiple, possibly competing, cells in Iraq during Saddam Hussein's Iraq. One cell was affiliated with Abu Musab al Zarqawi, who had not yet "officially" sworn allegiance to Osama bin Laden. Another al Qaeda cell, linked to Ayman al Zawahiri's Egyptian Islamic Jihad, was reportedly simultaneously operating in Saddam Hussein's Iraq. This detail appears to match up with that of former CIA Director George Tenet's and Major General William Caldwell on the topic. He cited this as an example of the ability of al Qaeda's cells to operate independently, a theme he heard more than once during his interactions. Degn said that from what he saw it was true that many al Qaeda operatives got directives and money from al Qaeda's core closest to Osama bin Laden but many were capable of making independent decisions and relationships. Degn said that while Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda did have mixed feelings for one another, at best, Hussein praised nearly all of al Qaeda's attacks as well as anti-Western attacks committed by other terror groups. Degn argued that if he didn't have some kind of hand in these attacks that he certainly wanted to as he definitely considered the U.S. an enemy (as well as Iran) and thus supported a number of Sunni groups. Degn says that at least some of the U.S. intelligence community likely knew of the support for regional anti-Western Sunni groups all along. |
| Posted by:Chaise Glamble5754 |
| #2 How do the wrong, the mediocre, the clueless, the dishonorable prevail and prosper? I think George Orwell said something about the corruption of language being a prerequisite for that. |
| Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 2009-07-16 21:57 |
| #1 The jaw-dropping delusion and dishonesty and failures of logic and common sense on this issue make it a good representative of the collapse of seriousness on the foreign policy side (we daily add to the domestic examples). I don't believe the authenticity of the captured memo detailing the visit and meetings with Iraqi intelligence that was (incredibly) published in the NYT was ever challenged. It read like it may have been Zawahiri himself. The Iraqi WMD work with the Sudanese regime then hip-deep involved with the then-resident AQ (incl. OBL his own 'sef) in the 90s. Didn't the (so far incomplete) document exploitation taking place in Qatar already verify a long-standing and serious connection between Iraqi intel and EIJ, which was the major partner in the friendly merger that resulted in the AQ we know and love today? The stupidity and illogic and dishonesty are too widespread and too constantly manifested to trace or cite. But is there anything more absurd than this dance around the Iraqi Ba'ath regime's involvement with terror outfits of every (useful) strip and flavor? How do such ridiculous ideas/arguments, such as that pretending that there's some doubt about Iraqi involvement with global terrorism, even survive a day in the public square? Rhetorical question, I know. Just look at the nonsense and insanity (whether on economics, rule of law, the constitution, etc) that crowd that square today. How do the wrong, the mediocre, the clueless, the dishonorable prevail and prosper? |
| Posted by: Verlaine 2009-07-16 15:36 |