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2009-09-29 | |
ARMED FORCES: MISSILES: ARMY: 350,000 less 220,000 leaves 130,000 professional cadres. The 220,000 can be dismissed as cannon fodder, which is how they were used in the Iran-Iraq War. The Iranian military as at the bottom of the ayatollahs' trust totem. The ayatollahs used the war to burn off a significant part of the shah-era officers' corps. Add in the ethnic (and language) divisions and the structure becomes even more shaky: Turkic-speaking Azeris make up a quarter of the population. There are significant (but not as large) groups of Arabs, Kurds, and Baluchis. The Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, viewed as the most loyal guardian of the ruling system, has another 125,000 men. IRGC is the ayatollahs' attempt at an "SS," loyal to the regime before the state. To me, they're a seedy-looking lot, given to strutting and posing and making faces. I could be wrong, though. In 2004 the army was organised in four corps, with four armored divisions and six infantry divisions. I dunno if that's four corps, each with four armored and six infantry divisions, which sounds pretty heavy, or four corps each with an armored division and 1.5 infantry divisions, which'd be more believable. My guess would be the latter. Zulfiqar's a first-generation effort, if I recall, using bits and pieces of M48, M60 technology for the suspension and the 125mm main gun from the T72. I don't know what kind of armor it has. I doubt if an Abrams would care. A large number of Iran's tanks are elderly British-made Chieftains and U.S.-made M-60s. These are known among modern armies as "targets"... The T54 was originally introduced in... ummm... 1954. It has an 85mm main gun. The T55 was introduced a year later and has a 100mm main gun, though otherwise pretty much the same tank. The T59 is the Chinese version of the T54A. The T62 was introduced in (wait for it!) 1962. It has a 115mm main gun and the autoejector had the bad habit of missing the slot and sending the shell casing whizzing around the inside of the turret at high speed, occasionally taking off part of the gunner's or loader's head. It was a spectacular flop on Afghan roads. The T72 was the export version of the T64, which the Sovs kept for themselves. It lacked some of the niceties of the T64, particularly the armor, but it was cheaper to build. I think it had the same 125mm main gun. The Iraqis had lots of Soviet tanks in the First Gulf War (and in the more recent festivities as well). One of the things our guys liked best about them was their active IR: that big-ass infrared searchlight mounted next to the main gun on the turrets. This was supposed to allow the gunners to search out infantry and other targets at night. Our tanks use passive IR, so those nice big searchlights made really neat aiming points at some pretty extreme distances. Yeah. I hear their trebuchets' serviceability might be in doubt, too. Their caltrops are pretty well kept, though. 8,196 artillery pieces less 2,010 leaves 6,186, less 310 leaves 5,876 that are neither towed nor self-propelled. I suppose that means they're pack howitzers, like the U.S. army used to pack around on mules in 1944 or thereabouts. Or maybe they're talking about mortars. NAVY: AIR FORCE: | |
Posted by:Steve White |
#12 quibble - not all Azeris are necessarily disloyal to the regime. IIUC many Azeris who live in Teheran are assimilated, strongly fundamendalist, and more loyal than most ethnic farsis. In contrast to the Azeris in Tabriz. |
Posted by: liberalhawk 2009-09-29 17:17 |
#11 They have a number of Special operations brigades that operate globally. They have proxy militias, Hammas etc.. that operate as well. This is good, cold war analysis, tank on tank stuff but the way we fight has changed. How many special operations teams in the Navy, how do they employ, what is their specialty, etc... Otherwise we will be counting tanks and they will be killing Americans. |
Posted by: 49 Pan 2009-09-29 17:16 |
#10 Smaller by a couple of planes than it used to be.... |
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2009-09-29 16:12 |
#9 Iran fought the Fourth Largest Army in the World® to a standstill over eight years of trench and missile warfare. |
Posted by: Fred 2009-09-29 14:39 |
#8 Remember, Iraq at one point had the fourth largest army in the world. Then something happened to it ... Old joke about the Iraqi army... If it doesn't move, hide behind it. If it moves, surrender to it. |
Posted by: Woozle Uneter9007 2009-09-29 11:50 |
#7 what parabellum says. What IS potentially important, is the relative size and effectiveness of the Rev Guards vs the regular army |
Posted by: liberalhawk 2009-09-29 11:43 |
#6 How big is Iran's military? It does not matter, no one is going to invade Iran anytime soon. Bomb certain sites, hopefully; Invade, no. |
Posted by: Parabellum 2009-09-29 08:59 |
#5 Analysts are great at counting tubes and boots, but avoid developing 'combat effectiveness' measures that are subjective. One is simply bean counting and safe from commitment. The other is an art and subject to postmortem judgment. You don't stay employed in the latter without a sustained track record. |
Posted by: Procopius2k 2009-09-29 08:17 |
#4 Remember, Iraq at one point had the fourth largest army in the world. Then something happened to it ... |
Posted by: Steve White 2009-09-29 07:47 |
#3 That's an unsustainably enormous chunk of their population, unless they're just happy to have a job that feeds them. |
Posted by: gorb 2009-09-29 03:55 |
#2 1990's NET > ISLAMIST IRAN = RADICLA MULLAHS "ACE" AGZ US or US-ALLIED ATTACK + INVASION is * IRANIAN NUCBOMB + related STRATWEAPONIZATION. * Unwillingness of anti-US World Powers to accept US-NATO control or domin of Iran's oil. |
Posted by: JosephMendiola 2009-09-29 03:00 |
#1 How high can they shoot? |
Posted by: ed 2009-09-29 02:09 |