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Home Front: Politix
Top Republicans jump ship in NY-23
2009-10-25
I'm afraid I can see both sides in this whizzing contest. The Publicans lost control of Congress because they were trying to act like Dems, something the Dems do ever so much better. Therefore they should be acting like Publicans if they want to regain control, which doesn't mean putting time, money, and other resources behind an Olympia Snow clone or, worse, a new Arlen Specter.

On the other hand, to rebuild their missing majority they've got to elect somebody. Without the headcount they're in the minority by definition. Supporting the third party in a two-party system's a sure enough recipe for disaster.

The time and place to have had this fight should have been in the primaries, where Publicans are free to throw pies at each other, kick, bite, scratch, and call names. Once you've settled on a nominee you should get behind him/her/it. If you had the good sense to nominate an actual Publican in the primaries that makes it easier.
Some of the most prominent names in national Republican Party politics are lining up against the GOP nominee in a key upstate New York House special election, the latest being former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, who weighed in Friday.

In endorsing Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman in the Nov. 3 contest, Santorum joined former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, Minnesota Rep. Michelle Bachmann, former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson, and former presidential candidate Steve Forbes, all of whom announced their backing for the conservative third-party candidate this week.

Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty suggested Friday that he might be the next well-known Republican to break with the party establishment and support Hoffman. When asked about the race Friday during an interview with ABC, he expressed frustration with GOP nominee Dede Scozzafava and said he will "probably" endorse in the race.

Scozzafava, a state assemblywoman who supports gay marriage, abortion rights and has a close relationship with leading labor officials in her region, has been the target of sustained criticism from conservatives who claim that she is so liberal that they cannot in good conscience support her candidacy. As evidence, they point to her unofficial endorsement from the leading liberal blog Daily Kos.

While Scozzafava can point to many other prominent conservatives who support her bid--including former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Republican leaders on Capitol Hill--this week's surge of leading conservatives to Hoffman's camp is a troubling sign for her campaign and the national GOP establishment since several of the recent Hoffman endorsers have significant followings and represent the most energetic part of the Republican base.

"I would prefer to not have to go up to New York to endorse and campaign for the conservative candidate. But Republicans lost the race when they nominated Dede," Armey told POLITICO.
Posted by:Fred

#12  What Blondie and Steve White said. All I'd add is that this is the perfect time and place for Sarah to fire a really large-bore shot across the R(INO)NC "leadership's" bow. I'm not talking about just a Hoffman endorsement via her MySpace page - I'm talking about hopping on a plane to Albany, showing up in the district, speaking at campaign events, working the phones and knocking on doors during the day, and bunking in with local families at night.

If she did this, there's a good chance that both the real Dem and the DIABLO (I love that, btw - props to the other Abu!) would get absolutely plowed under on election day. Sure, not a hell of a lot of near-term impact on the House floor, but if it worked, Sarah could firmly establish her ability to work around the MSM's hostility and move the needle for conservative candidates. The Trunk leadership could then ignore her only at the risk of becoming a permanent minority.
Posted by: Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo)   2009-10-25 20:19  

#11  Once upon a time in a land far far away a long long time ago there lived a Rino and a Conservative. Well as things will happen the Rino asked the conservative if she would marry him and she said no! and they lived happily ever after.
Posted by: Dale   2009-10-25 19:53  

#10  Scozzafava, a state assemblywoman who supports gay marriage, abortion rights and has a close relationship with leading labor officials in her region, has been the target of sustained criticism from conservatives

Why the heck isn't she running as a Democrat? What she's for sounds more like their agenda. Does she even care what her constituents are for?
Posted by: JohnQC   2009-10-25 13:05  

#9  Let's also recognize that this means the Northeast and Left Coast will probably become as solidly left wing donk as the South once was conservative donk. But that will not be the end of the world as one party rule has a way of breaking down eventually. And those in the middle will have a choice, not an echo. Best to recognize the situation for what it is rather than patch our differences over by meeting in the middle.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2009-10-25 12:12  

#8  I'm with Blondie on this one. This is a special election to fill a vacant seat. This is the perfect time to pick a fight with the party elders. Let them know that this is a taste of what they'll get if they pull this nonsense in 2010.

There are indeed plenty of county chairs and committees that could stand to be re-stocked ...
Posted by: Steve White   2009-10-25 12:01  

#7  Supporting the third party in a two-party system's a sure enough recipe for disaster.

So, if the 'professional' GOP country clubbers are the third party in votes, it's their turn to dissolve into the Arlan Spectors they wannabe and officially, as in practice, become Democrats. Then we are indeed back to a two party system rather and a one party system with sock puppet opponents.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2009-10-25 09:27  

#6  just saw Newt Gingrich on Fox trying to spin this as respecting "local authority". That punk should STFU and get off the stage. He's an idiot and a disagreeable one with his ugly personal history and ethics. Now is a great time to pick a fight and let the GOP beltway bubbleheads know they aren't in control any more
Posted by: Frank G   2009-10-25 08:33  

#5  According to New Majority.com:

When Rep. John McHugh resigned to become the Secretary of the Army, Republicans in NY-23 hastily prepared a candidate selection process that assigned weighted votes to the county chairpersons of the districtÂ’s eleven counties.

As the county chair for Clinton County, where 11% of the districtÂ’s Republicans live, Janet Duprey wielded power over 11% of the districtÂ’s ballots. Unfortunately for Duprey, Clinton County Republicans were dead set against the Scozzafava nomination.

In the first ballot of the candidate selection process, Scozzafava led the pack of three contenders with 45% of the ballots cast. Initially, Duprey consented to the wishes of her delegation and cast her vote for Paul Maroun, who was viewed as more conservative. In the second ballot, however, Assemblywoman Duprey abruptly changed her vote to Scozzafava, sealing ScozzafavaÂ’s nomination.

Duprey has since acknowledged that her delegation had wanted Maroun as their nominee, admitting that “the Clinton County committee members… voted for the candidate they supported. Paul Maroun received the majority of the votes.” Janet Duprey later justified her shift by saying that “it was clear that Dede was the winner… Everyone wants a winner.”


Old fashioned smoke filled room politics, for which I have some affection. Now there may be some contested elections for county committee seats at the next election. The big loser here will be Newt.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2009-10-25 07:50  

#4  Not RINO... DIABLO

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Posted by: abu do you love    2009-10-25 07:34  

#3  Even if you are right, and this "isn't the time or the place", the fact is...electing her isn't gonna do one damn thing about the current Democrat majority in the House if you are going strictly by party labels. They're still down, what, by 50 seats? BFD if they nominally get one more, especially if she would be to the left of the idiot Maine twins. May as well vote for the guy with the honesty to actually call himself a Democrat, if that is the likely case.

Defeating her, however, WILL get the local and national parties' attention. What the hell were they thinking, anyway, when they nominated her? If I didn't know she was a "Republican", based on her stands, I'd think she was a Democrat. Scuzzy is a classic RINO.

Sure, this makes Meghan McCain and her buddies all warm and squishy inside, because this is what "cool kidz" vote like, but the rest of us would appreciate fewer Dempublican candidates.

There's third world banana republics that have more "diversity" in their candidates than we have. This is just the most recent, glaring example.

If both parties are gonna blur the lines between where they stand like this, what the hell is the point in having them? Just merge, call yourselves the Aristocratic Party (since they all agree they are our betters and not public servants) and get on with it, then.
Posted by: Cornsilk Blondie   2009-10-25 07:28  

#2  I think that's right. The party elders chose Scuzzy because they thought she could win. Rocks for brains.
Posted by: Steve White   2009-10-25 00:57  

#1  Yah, the primaries.

I got the impression they didn't have a primary because this was a special election.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2009-10-25 00:51  

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