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| D.C. Muslims rejected by al-Qaida due to lack of references. |
| 2009-12-11 |
| Five young American Muslims arrested in Pakistan met with representatives of an al-Qaida-linked group and asked for training but were turned down because they lacked references from trusted militants, a Pakistani law enforcement official said Thursday. You're from Washington D.C. and you're here to help? Stand over there please. Another senior officer said the men wanted to fight jihad, or holy war, in northwestern Pakistan and against American troops in Afghanistan. A common theme, always ask for references. They could be CIA or Xe. The young men apparently first tried to contact jihadist groups through Facebook and YouTube, then traveled to Pakistan to attempt personal meetings, a Pakistani diplomat in Washington said. The case is another worrisome sign that Americans may be susceptible to recruitment to terrorist networks from within the United States. It comes on the heels of charges against a Chicago man accused of plotting international terrorism. Yet in contrast to the Chicago case, police say the five Americans captured in Pakistan failed to catch on with any terror network, and succeeded only in raising suspicions among locals, who reported them to Pakistani police. U.S. officials in Pakistan have now visited the men in custody. Their disappearance from the Washington, D.C, area late last month -- with one of them leaving behind a militaristic farewell video saying Muslims must be defended -- prompted a frantic search by friends and family and an investigation by worried counterterrorism officials. More at the link. |
| Posted by:Besoeker |
| #22 WAFF > TIMES OF INDIA > RADICAL ISLAMISM GAINING GROUND IN THE US. Growing MUSLIM RADIC MOMENTUM in domestic US vee intensive recruiting in US Muslim communities, espec PAK??? |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2009-12-11 08:26 |
| #21 s/whom/what/ |
| Posted by: KBK 2009-12-11 03:48 |
| #20 DC Muslims are a busy bunch. A DC Muslim shot up 50 troops down in Texas a few weeks ago. |
| Posted by: Boss Snomotle8280 2009-12-11 14:08 |
| #19 As our pols say in Chicago, "we don't want nobody whom nobody sent!" |
| Posted by: Steve White 2009-12-11 13:55 |
| #18 Interesting thing is demonstrated by this incident, or lack thereof.... We have bagged enough senior jihadi leaders and interdicted enough ongoing activities that the jihadi groups are increasingly paranoid about infiltration. The vetting process for foreign recruits is more cumbersome and lengthy, and infighting is on the rise. Couple this with a divide and conquer strategy between competing groups and sub-groupings, and you heighten the distrust. After all, these mopes come from a tribal culture, and non-blood relations are always suspect. |
| Posted by: NoMoreBS 2009-12-11 13:43 |
| #17 Beavis and Butthead converted to Islam No, but certainly B&B born Muslim, Ebbang Uluque6305. May there be many more of them than the smart, successful ones. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2009-12-11 12:41 |
| #16 Beavis and Butthead converted to Islam? |
| Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 2009-12-11 11:50 |
| #15 The case is another worrisome sign that Americans may be susceptible to recruitment to terrorist networks from within the United States. More like they're susceptible to 'volunteerism' (of course that's "volunteering to read to little kids and work in soup kitchens", but I digress...) |
| Posted by: Pappy 2009-12-11 11:21 |
| #14 Obama was asked in a news conference yesterday and proceeded to speak of how well Muslims have woven themselves into the fabric of America and "joked" at how loyal these 5 Muslims are... |
| Posted by: Chunky Phaving7818 2009-12-11 11:17 |
| #13 "We're from Washington and we are here to help." I just could not pass on that one... |
| Posted by: Karl Rove 2009-12-11 10:58 |
| #12 Al Qaida wants Westerners because they can carry out missions while coming under less suspicion (David Coleman Headley/Daoud Gilani with his American mother and passport), but have trouble getting new ones because of the need to protect against infiltration. Gilani had trusted roots, but the randomly convinced, like these DC 5, lack them. Adam Gadahn and John Walker Lindh got accepted while American was still completely asleep, so it was easier for them to get accepted. I doubt that identical profiles would be able to make it in now. |
| Posted by: Odysseus 2009-12-11 10:48 |
| #11 I was thinking aloud |
| Posted by: liberalhawk 2009-12-11 10:02 |
| #10 Heck of a series of posts there, just to get to the Emily Litella punchline. |
| Posted by: ed 2009-12-11 09:47 |
| #9 In which case maybe you can go ahead and raze it, since the other side already considers it compromised anyway. But razing it isnt a huge gain, and would need to be balanced against the propaganda cost. |
| Posted by: liberalhawk 2009-12-11 09:12 |
| #8 which I suspect is the answer to why that place is NOT a good enough reference for AQ, as they are thinking along the same lines as my post above. |
| Posted by: liberalhawk 2009-12-11 09:10 |
| #7 "It should be razed, the members at a minimum be deported, and the ashes dumped into a volcano." You really dont read as many spy novels as I do. Razing a place like that is the last thing you do. |
| Posted by: liberalhawk 2009-12-11 09:09 |
| #6 ed. but that raises the question, why isnt that a good enough reference? Something unexplained here? |
| Posted by: liberalhawk 2009-12-11 09:08 |
| #5 its also possible we HAVE infiltrated them. Though you would think our guys would be able to you know, forge references, or something. Not just walk in and say "I'm from Langley, er DC" |
| Posted by: liberalhawk 2009-12-11 09:07 |
| #4 The men's families had expected them at home on Sunday, Nov. 29 , said Imam Johari Abdul-Malik, the outreach director at the Dar al Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Va. , outside Washington . The next day, one of them called his parents and said he was leaving the country, without specifying his destination, Abdul-Malik said. Now where have we heard of this Saudi Wahhabi funded, Muslim Brotherhood (Islamic Society of North America, Muslim American Society) abomination before? 1. Two 9/11 hijackers worshipped there. Links with two other hijackers. 3000 Americans murdered and premier city center gutted. 2. Imam Anwar al-Awlaki, high ranking Al Qaeda member, preaching the murder of Americans under the protection of the First Amendment. The Constitution is not a suicide pact and islam is going to be the mechanism to expose that fact. 3. Imam Mohammed al-Hanooti, unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Links w/ African embassy bombings. 4. Current imam Shaker El Sayed comapres terrorist gr 5. Assassination attempt on President Bush. Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, the attempted assassin, also taught Islamic studies at the mosque's madrassa to the children of the mosque. 6. Ali Al-Tamimi. Islamic teacher guilty of inciting terrorism. Virginia Jihad Network. 7. Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan. 13 murdered, 1 unborn baby murdered, 29 wounded. 8. Just scratching the surface, but some other members convicted of terrorism or known for support of: Mousa Abu Marzook, AbdulRahman Alamoudi, Esam Omeish, Johari Abdul Malik, Mohammed El Sheikh, Jamal Barzinji, current imam Shaker El Sayed. 9. Need I mention the casual racism of those who think of us as lower than cattle. At least goats have value to them. What we have is the chief base in the country for the islamic jihad war against Americans, protected by an unsuspecting public and corrupt government. It should be razed, the members at a minimum be deported, and the ashes dumped into a volcano. Freedim House Report: SAUDI PUBLICATIONS ON HATE IDEOLOGY INVADE AMERICAN MOSQUES (PDF file) |
| Posted by: ed 2009-12-11 09:07 |
| #3 They are probably not the first to have this happen. It would explain why we have intercepted a number of amateurish, independent plots (Ft. Dix, for example) - the wannabes try to prove themselves and establish credentials to get into the gang. Would not be a surprise if some succeeded and we just didn't realize it was more than an ordinary crime - what did Adam Gadahn do to get his resume approved? And if we know of some who DID get in, we need to follow their back trail to identify the source of THEIR references - and maybe infiltrate. |
| Posted by: Glenmore 2009-12-11 08:48 |
| #2 Damn, the recession is hitting harder than I thought if even Al-Q is tightening up their hiring requirements! |
| Posted by: Cornsilk Blondie 2009-12-11 08:40 |
| #1 ...And they failed to bring a shrubbery. Mike |
| Posted by: Mike Kozlowski 2009-12-11 08:07 |