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French Call for Veil Ban in Public Buildings
2010-01-26
[Asharq al-Aswat] A French parliamentary panel will recommend a ban on face-covering Muslim veils in public areas from hospitals to schools but will stop short of pressing for the garb to be outlawed in the street, the panel's president says.

The 32-member panel's report due Tuesday culminates a six-month inquiry into the wearing of all-encompassing veils that began after President Nicolas Sarkozy said in June that they are "not welcome" on French territory.

Andre Gerin, a Communist lawmaker who heads the multiparty panel, said the report contains a "multitude of proposals" to ban such garb in places like schools, hospitals and other public buildings, but not private buildings or on the street. He said the proposals would cover "domains that concern everyday society," a phrase that would seem to include public transportation, although he did not mention that specifically.

Gerin stressed the need to move "progressively" toward a law banning the attire in the streets and to work "hand in hand" with Muslim leaders and associations.

Critics of the veils call them a gateway to extremism, an insult to gender equality and an offense to France's secular system. A 2004 French law bans Muslim headscarves from classrooms.

Muslim religious leaders have warned that a law banning face-covering attire in the streets could stigmatize Muslims and drive some to extremism. They were joined last week by Roman Catholic and Jewish leaders who said they consider such a drastic step unnecessary.

France has Western Europe's largest Muslim population, estimated at some 5 million. Only a tiny minority of Muslim women wear such attire, usually a "niqab" pinned across the face to cover all but the eyes.

"It is perhaps a marginal problem, but it is the visible part of the iceberg," Gerin said in a Friday interview. "Behind the iceberg is a black tide of ... fundamentalism." He denounced those he called "gurus" or "French Taliban" who, he claimed, promote a radical brand of Islam that forces women and girls to hide themselves.

Critics of a formal ban have raised concerns about the constitutionality of state mandates on dress.

"I don't think an ideology should be fought through constraining measures but through ideas," Mohammed Moussaoui, the head of a coalition of Muslim organizations, said in an interview. "It's very difficult to talk about the liberation of women through a law that constrains."
Posted by:Fred

#10  IOn "LES FRANCAIS" [1990's "Last of the Mohicans" flick], ANSAMED > FRANCE: ONE OUT OF EVERY THREE MARRIAGES IS MIXED, MASS PHENOMENON [84,000 = 27% of all new Marriages 2009].

ARTIC > More and more Frenchies are choosing [secular?]CIVIL UNIONS, NOT MARRIAGE [IMO read, NOT CHURCH].

IFOP Research Institute > Back in 1984, over 50% of Frenchies did not want their children to marry a Person of ARAB ORIGIN - in 2009, the same is now down to 24%.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2010-01-26 20:10  

#9  Y not your mother run naked on the streets.

It really depends on whether she is hot or not, Dabeer.

I suspect the reason Muslim men insist on throwing tarps over their women is they fear that their women's mustaches are more luxurious than their own.
Posted by: SteveS   2010-01-26 14:40  

#8  Freedom of expresskion? I know of Magrebi wiomen who wear burka for fear of agresssion. And I doubt thare Magrebi husbands and fathers who were told they would be considered apostates if they allowed their daughters/wives not to veil.
Posted by: JFM   2010-01-26 13:57  

#7  Freedom of expression means it is every right of an individual to do whatever they want. It is not for a government to decide whether its people should fully cover their body.

O ignorant Dabeer! Freedom of expression means that one can say the words one pleases, accepting that others might very strongly disagree, and understanding the risk that if the words one says are annoying enough, physical harm might ensue. Freedom of expression does not mean one may break the laws of the country in which one finds oneself, no matter the customs back home.

No doubt in your studies you've read the ancient expression, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."

In the case of the ban on the burqa and the niqab, Europeans have learnt the hard way that often enough the person underneath is not a shy and retiring female hiding her beauty from covetous male eyes, but a covetous male seeking the cover of anonymity to steal from shops and escape from the police. Did not Osama bin Laden do the very same when he and his henchmen ran away from Tora Bora pursued by the Americans in 2002, and do not the Taliban do so even now, when the foreign soldiers surround the village they happen to be pillaging? Why then should the French allow cowards hiding under women's veils to pillage their country? Those who dislike it, after all, can come stay with your family in Karachi, where the men are like ravening beasts should they see even the suggestion of a female hair or cheek, so afraid their women will revolt they burn girls' schools to keep them from learning to read and think. And so the girls believe the Quran, Sunna and Hadith demand such walking purdah, instead of knowing your prophet wanted his women to dress modestly instead of like dancing girls.
Posted by: trailing wife   2010-01-26 13:32  

#6  Oh, and don't forget tank tops.

Ed, for God's sake. No more visuals of that type please.
Posted by: Besoeker   2010-01-26 13:19  

#5  No Dabeer, your freedom of expression doesn't include calling for my enslavement or death. It will be answered in kind. What you are seeing now is the name calling before the fight begins.

a law banning face-covering attire

Join the modern world and layer on the makeup. Nobody will recognize you. Really. Oh, and don't forget tank tops.
Posted by: ed   2010-01-26 13:09  

#4  good on the french
Posted by: 746   2010-01-26 12:54  

#3  Moderators, seagull shit above.
A nice little chew toy. Enjoy yourselves!
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2010-01-26 12:42  

#2  To Swanimote:
Y not your mother run naked on the streets. Dats gonna lift a lot of constraints. Ask your ancestors y they used to cover themselves. Surely they will spank you for even asking that question. Grow up. Freedom of expression means it is every right of an individual to do whatever they want. It is not for a government to decide whether its people should fully cover their body.
Posted by: Dabeer   2010-01-26 12:33  

#1  Muslim religious leaders have warned that a law banning face-covering attire in the streets could stigmatize Muslims and drive some to extremism.

The burqa and full face niqab stigmatize muslim women. Remove the veils and she's just another women among many.

As for driving to extremism... The full-body covering of a burqa is a sign of extremism and is an islamist tool. It is an indicator of slavery, abuse and fear. Authorities might consider following a burqa home and flush out the islamist nest.

The ban would be a sign of freedom. it lifts "constraints".

As usual, Moussaoui and others like him, have it ass-backward.
Posted by: Swanimote   2010-01-26 11:40  

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