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B.O.: America's enemy is al-Qaida, not Islam
2010-09-10
[Jerusalem Post] US President Barack Obama on Friday appealed to the American people to stand by the nation's belief in religious tolerance.
There's a difference between religious tolerance and stupidity. If I decide I'm the Pope of the Aztecs and round up financing to build a pyramid in downtown Washington D.C. to conduct human sacrifices I'll be surprised if I'm tolerated.

If fact, if I decide I'm a pagan and go back to sacrificing bullocks on the feast of Zeus or publicly partying until I barf on Bacchanalia I'll be surprised if I'm tolerated.

The Mormons weren't tolerated until they decided polygamy wasn't holy and I doubt if I'll be tolerated if, as pope of the Church of the Risen Elvis, I decide I can have up to a dozen wives as long as they wear beehive hairdos. And one of our sacraments is having group sex in public.

What'd they do to David Koresh when the story was spread -- true or false I still don't know -- that they were porking 10-year-olds in his "religious" compound?

Therefore having established that there are in fact practical limits to this idea of "tolerance," perhaps it's time to make some sort of rational exploration of what those limits might be. It's my not very humble opinion that the limits should stop short of tolerating murder of pregnant women, exploding without warning in public places, cutting off women's pubic lips, or burying those women alive under piles of rocks. As an afterthought I'd suggest that we not tolerate religions that regard the rest of us as vermin, but that's probably asking too much.

Coincidentally, all those things are adjuncts to the practice of Mohammedanism. Why, it was only last week that Hamas snuffies bumped off the pregnant lady. When the Paleostinian Authority went to arrest the perps the arrests were denounced as "treason." There are boomers virtually every day in Pakistain and periodically in other Islamic ratholes like The Islamic State of Iraq and The Chechen Republic of Ichkeria -- now overflowing to Dagestan and Ingushetia and occasionally showing up in Moscow or other civilized cities. I have no idea how many lipless ladies there are in the world, but estimates are that in Egypt it's as many as 90 percent of all women. And the theocrats who rule the Medes and the Persians with an iron hand were complaining just yesterday that the West's concern over their desire to stone a women to death in the manner of the 7th century and previous was just some sort of propaganda plot and warning us not to try and make it a "human rights" issue. That leaves open the question of whether people have a "human right" not to be pulped under a pile of rocks.

Obama's comments at a White House news conference come as a Florida pastor threatened to burn the Muslim holy book on the anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.
I think there's a special place in hell for people who burn books. Grind them up and use them for mulch, but don't burn them. If you want to tweak the Islamic beard ask them how their wives' pubic lips are doing and explain to them that there's a special place in hell as well for men who mutilate women.
A debate is also raging over whether an Islamic center should be built near the site of the attacks in New York City.
It's not a "debate." Powers that be have ruled that the Mohammedans will be allowed to build their victory mosque there. 70 percent of the populace is against it. Nobody asked the 70 percent's opinion. When the 70 percent impertinently gave its opinion it was told to shut the hell up. Even Mussolini was more subtle than that.
Obama said the public must remember that the country's enemy is not Islam, but al-Qaida and extremist groups.
That's a point we've made here many times, which in fact has resulted in a few bannings. Our allies in the fight against al-Qaeda are in many cases Muslim allies, and they cover a range from mostly harmless Sufism to being non-Qaeda Islamists. The fact that we're on the same side as them (at least for now) doesn't mean that we have to accept their imperfections. There's no reason not to push for religious tolerance in the Muslim world but we don't do it. There's no reason not to point out that civilized countries don't mutilate women, that a woman on the outside of a tampon is not going to cause an entire mosque to collapse upon itself, or that it's a mark of civilization to maintain one's self control, rather than erupting in riots every three or four days over some new slight, real or imagined.

Or maybe we should start rioting in the streets and burning the flags of Islamic countries whenever there's a "Death to America" demonstration. Who's up for that?

He explained that Americans cannot turn on each other and let their fears lead to division.
Meaning we should shut up and do as we're told?
Posted by:Fred

#20  *correction* Many of the things Muslims do, is completely opposite of what Christians were taught by Christ to do.
Posted by: Neville Throling7649   2010-09-10 23:47  

#19  Obama is not a Christian. The false prophet that Christ warned his followers of, in my opinion was Mohammed. Many of the things Muslims do, is completely opposite of what Islamists do. Obama is a liar and a decieving of epic proportions.
Posted by: Neville Throling7649   2010-09-10 23:46  

#18  ION DAILY TIMES.PK > RUSSIA FOR TOUGH ACTION AGZ "CAUCASUS BANDITS" [Chechen Militant Leader Umarov calls for attacks outside of North Caucasus + Other Muslim regions to "batter Russia in its den"].

IIUC, UMAROV > is calling for general Insurgency + [expanded]MilTerrorism throughout RUSSIA [CentAsia? China?] - THE JIHADIS WANT RUSS BEAR FOR DINNER???

* SAME > "CENTRAL ASIA TERRORISM MUST BE BATTLED NOW" [UN RCCA Official-Expert MIROSLAV JENCA].

JENCA = Demise or fall of the Cold War USSR has attracted various Militant Groups to the CA Region from abroad; the recent Kyrgystan riots may had [inteionally]started or induced by Terrorists???
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2010-09-10 23:39  

#17  maybe islam is just plain stupid:

http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Islam

Posted by: Broadhead6   2010-09-10 21:36  

#16  Good stuff there Fred.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2010-09-10 20:52  

#15  All religions are equal. Some are more equal than others. One particular one is anyway.
Posted by: Goober Goobelopolous   2010-09-10 20:51  

#14  Putting the violent message of the Koran on display was what Geert Wilders did in 'Fitna'.

Pope Benedict offered scholarly criticism.

Dhimmis are not to voice any opinion re Islam. Period.

If they do it anyway there will be violence.

'Silence! I kill you!'-It is funny because it is true.
Posted by: Omaing White7048   2010-09-10 18:33  

#13  I liked SteveS's idea of reading selected verses from the Koran over a loudspeaker instead of burning the Koran.

I'd add, invite a Mohammedan to debate the verse just read, and instruct us on why it doesn't mean what it appears to say.

If no such person steps up, print the offending verse on a poster and burn the poster. Then, repeat the offer to debate the meaning.
Posted by: KBK   2010-09-10 18:08  

#12  Gromgoru: stupidity is the "West"'s enemy, not Islam.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2010-09-10 16:34  

#11  Amir Taheri has a Muslim's take on this:
The ground zero 'mosque' is really a building to celebrate the attack, terrorize nonbeleivers, and plan new attacks.
Posted by: Frozen Al   2010-09-10 16:33  

#10  "...the country's enemy is not Islam, but al-Qaida and extremist groups."

I personally believe that this assertion is wrong but apart from this it is also a significant deviation from the post 9/11 consensus articulated by Bush (probably preparation for surrender to peace with honor with the Taliban).

On 9/11/2001 Bush said: "We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them."

In his Statement to a Joint Session of Congress he said: "(The Talibam) will hand over the terrorists, or they will share in their fate."

So the enemy was terrorists and state sponsors who would not be permitted to hide behind implausible deniability. Bush symmetrized the asymmetrical war.

As for whether 'Islam' is an enemy:
The OIC (speaking for 'Islam' as a political actor), has rejected a policy of 'Peaceful Coexistence' (demand for Sharia restrictions for non-Muslims in the West). Instead the have officially adopted a 'Brezhnev Doctrine', declaring that in matters concerning Islam, Western nations enjoy only limited sovereignty.

So "Islam's" official diplomatic posture towards is objectively more hostile than that of the Soviet Union post 1956.

Draw your own conclusions.
Posted by: Omaing White7048   2010-09-10 16:25  

#9  Also, to drive home my first point:

@ JihadWatch:

Egypt: Muslims burn Christian man alive, stab his father to death.

The people who rioted and performed those murders are probably _not_ Al Qaeda, per se. But neither are they our friends.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2010-09-10 16:22  

#8  There seems to be a wobble in the New York intelligentsia's view of the victory mosque...very interesting. First I've seen.

"The mosque project near ground zero upholds a great American principle, but itÂ’s not a sensible idea. Good sense is needed when a harvest of anger is in."

Let's hope this is the beginning of the end of the victory mosque.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/opinion/10iht-edcohen.html?_r=1&hp


Posted by: Black Charlie Chinemble5313   2010-09-10 16:18  

#7  Also, if all it takes for someone to switch sides is some idiot in Florida burning a holy book... I'm kind of doubting they were a real ally to begin with.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2010-09-10 15:55  

#6  I want to say first of all that we do have a lot of Moslem allies. OTOH, I am concerned that if our only enemies within the Islamic sphere were Al Qaeda, it is taking an awful lot of blood and treasure to defeat them.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2010-09-10 15:52  

#5  Islam and the Constitution of the United States are incompatible with each other. "President" O'Bumble took an oath to support and defend the latter, to "bear true faith and allegiance, to it, and to "see that the laws of the nation are faithfully executed". It's put-up or shut-up time, and O'Bumble not only doesn't want to talk about the issue, and wants all of us to shut up, also. Tell him to go stick a Quran in his left ear - wrapped in barbed wire.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2010-09-10 15:43  

#4  Where are teh muslim moderates in all this?

Why is it left to the office of the presidency to - again and again, for nine years now-- push a message that, to ahve any effect at all, can only come from within the muslim community itself?

Will the US president still be asked to go on point in delivering this "Religion of Peace," "don't-conflate-all muslims-with-jihadists" etc message twenty years from now? If so, no one will be listening anymore-- if we haven't reached that point already....
Posted by: lex   2010-09-10 15:29  

#3  Excellent framing of the issues.

He [Obama] explained that Americans cannot turn on each other and let their fears lead to division.

I'd say that 70% of people in liberal NYC is not a turning on each other and division.

Obama said the public must remember that the country's enemy is not Islam, but al-Qaida and extremist groups.

That is an oft-quoted statement. GWB also said that. BHO has said that. However, if one looks at the data objectively, how many muslims are moderate vs. extremists? How many others silently assent to islam's aims? If one looks at GB, France, or other European countries there has been a steady and maybe relentless push by muslims to basically hi-jack the existing culture.
Posted by: JohnQC   2010-09-10 15:20  

#2  US pastor sets mosque talks deadline
I hear that US networks are black banning coverage on this subject, if so could someone let me know and I can update for the next hour or so. twenty minutes to end of deadline.

A Florida pastor who has threatened to burn the Koran has given a New York imam a two-hour deadline to clarify whether talks on moving a planned mosque further from Ground Zero will take place.
Posted by: tipper   2010-09-10 15:16  

#1  Amen Fred. Righteous rant.
Posted by: DarthVader   2010-09-10 15:03  

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