Ibrahim A-Khouli: "What is the nature of our relations with [the West]? They are relations of Crusader aggression against the land of Islam -- in Afghanistan, in Iraq, which was destroyed and removed from history... I believe that the seeds of civil strife that were sown in Iraq will not be eradicated for centuries to come.

"What formula should the Islamic nation adopt in its dealings with America and the West?

Interviewer: "Go ahead."

Ibrahim Al-Khouli: "We must confront them, and say: You are aggressors on the land of Islam. You are occupying our lands. You are exploiting our resources. You are humiliating our people. Unless you stop doing that, and restore our rights, the only path we will take is the path of jihad, which is an individual duty incumbent upon the nation."

Interviewer: "Yes."

Ibrahim Al-Khouli: "Forget about bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. That's not what I'm talking about. I am talking about the jihad of the entire nation.

Interviewer: "Not of individuals."

Ibrahim Al-Khouli: "I'm talking about jihad which is led by the Islamic scholars, and the entire nation will be mobilized for the sake of the supreme jihad. This will lead us to a confrontation.

"We should follow the example of the young men of the Taliban. A group of several thousands of students have been crushing NATO in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Where are the armies of the Muslims?"