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India-Pakistan
Kayani seeks to repair dented army pride
2011-06-20
[Dawn] Pakistain's military chief is working to repair his army's maimed pride in the bitter aftermath of the raid that killed the late Osama bin Laden,
... who went shovel-ready...
a humiliation that has strained US-Pak relations and raised questions about the top general's own standing.

Retired and serving officers interviewed by The News Agency that Dare Not be Named spoke of seething anger within army ranks over the secret strike the Americans carried out on May 2, undetected by Pakistain's military.

The US helicopter-borne operation set off a nationalist backlash: The usually untouchable army was sharply criticized in the press and on television talk shows, people demonstrated here in the capital demanding accountability, and open calls were made for the resignation of Gen. Asfaq Parvez Kayani,
... four star general, current Chief of Army Staff of the Mighty Pak Army. Kayani is the former Director General of ISI...
the military chief.

The army is Pakistain's strongest institution, and Kayani the nation's most powerful leader, but he "has to be very careful," said retired Lt. Gen. Talat Masood.

Like others interviewed, he doubted Kayani's underlings would try to unseat him in an intra-army coup, but he noted occasions in the past when disgruntled officers were found to be plotting against their chief.

These rumblings generally occurred after the army suffered an embarrassing defeat, most notably Pakistain's 1971 loss of East Pakistain, now Bangladesh, when India took 90,000 Pak prisoners of war who weren't released for a year.

Last month's raid on the al-Qaeda leader's Abbottabad compound resurrected public comparisons to that Bangladesh debacle.

In one sign of dented military prestige, Pakistain's Supreme Court ordered the withdrawal of a two-star general after his men were caught on video killing an unarmed youth. The court took the unusual action "in light of the hostile environment in the society toward the military," said defense analyst Hasan Askar Rizvi.

The public disquiet weighs heavily on the officer corps and down through lower ranks, Masood said.

"It could all result in loose talk," he said, but he thought it wouldn't go beyond that. He noted that within days of the bin Laden raid, Kayani met with key corps commanders in an effort to assure his ranking officers they had not been humiliated.

There's "quite a lot of anger" within the military, retired Gen. Jehangir Karamat, a former chief of staff himself, said in a telephone interview from the eastern city of Lahore.

"Maybe there is talk," he told the AP. "Maybe anti-US feeling has gone up in the army. But actually there is in the country a whole lot of anger over the way it happened and the humiliation suffered, and it is inevitably reflected in the army."

But, he added, "all this talk of him fighting for his job, his survival, I don't see any signs of that."

Kayani is consistently described as a "professional soldier" by his own men and knowledgable foreigners. But the general, who as a younger officer did some training in the US, may face criticism because of the Mighty Pak Army's close past cooperation with the US military and dependence on US aid.

At the same time, the Paks have come under sharp criticism in Washington for having apparently missed bin Laden's presence in Abbottabad.

Knowledgable observers here said the fracture with Washington could set back military-to-military relations between the two countries by years, as the Americans seek to step up the joint fight against al-Qaeda and other thug groups in the Afghan border area.

"There is a very strong resentment, a very strong sense of betrayal of being discredited in the eyes of our own public. What our enemies have not been able to do they (the US) have done to us," said a senior military official, who asked that his name not be used to speak candidly.
Perhaps the Americans are better at their job than are Pakistan's unnamed enemies.
Pakistain has already sent home nearly 100 US military personnel, most of whom were training the Frontier Corps, the tribal force that patrols Pakistain's long and mostly non-existent border with Afghanistan.

Pakistain is holding up visas for CIA officials waiting to come here, and Pakistain's intelligence agency has nabbed alleged CIA informants said to have helped lead the Americans to bin Laden.

In Washington last week, Adm. Mike Mullen, the Joint Chiefs of State chairman who has been to Pakistain to try to patch up differences, said letting the relationship with this nuclear-armed nation deteriorate isn't an option.

If the relationship crumbles or "were we to walk away, I think it's a matter of time before the region is that much more dangerous and there would be a huge pull for us to have to return to protect our national interests," Mullen added.
Posted by:Fred

#8  ION WAFF > OBAMA DOJ SAYS US DRONE STRIKES DON'T CONSTITUTE HOSTILE ACTS, of unilateral aggression agz the sovereignty of Pakistan.

and

* DEFENCE FORUM INDIA > AJAI SHUKLA: HOW LONG CAN INDIA IGNORE THE TALIBAN? | US DIALOGUE WID THE TALIBAN [Mullah Omar] IS BEING SERIOUSLY PURUED + CAPTIVATES EVERYONE WHO MATTERS, espec when it comes to Hindu India protecting its own Security from rival Muslim Pakistan's known or alleged myriad shennanigans.

IIUC ARTIC = India has a long history of prferring to make proverbial "Deals wid the Devil" [necessary evil] to protect itself as per the stability of its northern flanks, IT ONCE AGAIN MAY PROVE TO BE IN INDIA'S INTERESTS TO SUPPORT A TALIBAN-LED/DOMINATED, POST-US PULLOUT GOVT IN PAK IFF IT MEANS INDO-PAK REGIONAL PEACE + SUBORNMENT, DEFEAT BY THE TALIBAN OF THE MANY VARIOUS ANTI-INDIA, PRO-VIOLENT JIHAD MILTERR FACTIONS EXISTING WIDIN PAKISTAN???

FYI methinks KAYANI's pic is j-u-s-t begging for somoene to photoshop an Angelic Halo-Aura around his Beret.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2011-06-20 23:10  

#7  It's total casualties that count towards the win, even your own, maybe especially if they're your own. It's the Pal way.
Posted by: Goldies Every Damn Where   2011-06-20 16:41  

#6  Look at Paleos and what they consider to be glorious victories.
Posted by: gr(o)mgoru   2011-06-20 09:25  

#5  
grom, what would a terrorist outbreak prove about the strength of the Pakistani military?


You're not thinking like someone from the "Land of the Pure". Their martial pride is inflated by the blood of innocents, and the knowledge that their government trained the murderers.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2011-06-20 09:23  

#4  grom, what would a terrorist outbreak prove about the strength of the Pakistani military? The terrorist proxy is a Muslim foreign-policy tool used by nations with weak and unprofessional armies who can't legitimately project power through military display or the waging of actual war. It doesn't increase or repair the prestige of said military if they use the terrorist proxy crutch *again*, whatever it does for the state proper.

No, if they want to do something active with the army, it's either a real fighting war with India - which they'd lose going away, assuming it doesn't come to a nuclear exchange - or another butcher-and-bolt campaign in the Northwest Frontier. The latter option doesn't seem particularly likely - maybe they'll gin up some sort of limited-exchange "Glacier War" with India or Afghanistan? Make faces at Karzai and IFAR? Cut off supplies to Afghanistan?
Posted by: Mitch H.   2011-06-20 08:32  

#3  I would love to hear Mullen enumerate the national interests that justify our presence in this toilet spot.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2011-06-20 08:14  

#2  What's going to do---engineer another mega terror attack against India?
Posted by: gr(o)mgoru   2011-06-20 03:59  

#1  You gotta actually have something before you can repair it...
Posted by: imoyaro   2011-06-20 01:10  

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