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China 'shadow-boxing' US at sea: Philippines' Ramos
2011-09-29
Philippine ex-president Fidel Ramos said Wednesday that China's recent assertiveness over sea disputes was motivated by a desire to challenge US power, as he predicted more tensions to come.

On a visit to Washington, Ramos described China and the United States as "shadow-boxing" over the South China Sea and East China Sea where Beijing has growing friction with countries including the Philippines, Vietnam and Japan.

"China's proximate aim, it seems to me, is to limit American freedom of access" and "erode the credibility of Washington's security guarantees to the East Asian states, including and especially the Philippines," Ramos, who was president from 1992 to 1998, said at the Heritage Foundation think-tank.

"We, where we come from, expect South China Sea tensions to continue because the root cause is really China's perceived need to break out from under the strategic dominance of the Western allies," Ramos said.

However, Ramos said he did not expect military confrontation due to the vast US military superiority over China. He called for governments to shift away spending from the military to fighting "real enemies" such as poverty.
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#10  Sino: You underestimate the Philippino will to fight (kick 'yer asses), at your peril.
Posted by: Sping Panda9115   2011-09-29 23:33  

#9  Lest we fergit. CHINESE MIL BLOGGERS = argue that the Philippines is a FAILED STATE OR [mostly]FAILING STATE, HAS NO RIGHT TO BE SOVEREIGN NATION BECAUSE OF ITS MANY PROBLEMS, + SHOULD JUST GIVE UP ITS SOVEREIGNTY TO CHINA OR ELSE BECOME A PROTECTORATE [vassal state, e.g. DPRK, Okinawa?] OF RISING CHINA. Philippinos are mere ungrateful Chinese or Chinese-descended minority???

Read, PLA MilBases in the PHIL.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2011-09-29 22:19  

#8  CHINA DAILY FORUM > JAPAN DOES NOT WANT CHINA TO BE AN EQUAL NUCLEAR POWER WID THE US.

Oh the Nuke Parities!

* SAME > POSTER OP THREAD > SHOULD RUSSIA JUST BE CALLED NORTHERN CHINA?
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2011-09-29 22:10  

#7  If the Chinese think that over-extension will stop the US, they are crazy. If they think they can get by with it because of Zero and the other Dems, they have a point. Besides, we can just sell a bunch of spare parts to the Vietnamese and the Filipinos so that they can refurbish a bunch of their old equipment and boost their militaries. Poland, the Czech Republic, and Ukraine all make high-quality spare parts for Soviet/Russian equipment, excluding the very newest models. And we can completely rebuild the Philippine Air Forces just by transferring a couple of dozen old model F-16s to them from the Air Force Bone Yard.
Posted by: Shieldwolf   2011-09-29 20:30  

#6  WAFF > CHINA [Global Times media]DEMANDS WAR WITH VIETNAM + PHILIPPINES.

ARTIC = US will likely be unable to mil intervene due to being preoccupied or caught up in its many wars agz Radical Islam = Middle East.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2011-09-29 20:10  

#5  OOOOPSIES, forgot WAFF/TOPIX > STRONG INDIA IS GOOD FOR JAPAN, SAYS PM | JAPAN PM BULLISH ON DEFENCE TIES WID INDIA.

ARTIC = PM denotes that US will continue to steadily decline in relative terms.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2011-09-29 19:41  

#4  Seem also BHARAT RAKSHAK > [Analysis] CHINA HAS MORE TO LOSE THAN INDIA.

ARTIC = Beijing increasingly believes that the US is not able to enforce or propagate PAX AMERICANA = POST-COLD WAR NEW GLOBAL ORDER around the world, hence Beijing has to rely on unilateral assertions of force.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2011-09-29 19:38  

#3  Soviets used to shadow American ships as well. Just part of the game. I'd be curious of the range of the Chinese navy. Can they be drawn out how far, and if they can't be drawn out of position perhaps they can be taunted a bit (face and pride being a big deal in their culture and all).
Posted by: rjschwarz   2011-09-29 14:49  

#2  Have a boomer surface about 20 miles off the coast near Bejing.

"Would you like to play a game?"
Posted by: mojo   2011-09-29 12:04  

#1  China is vigorously trying to shoulder the US and every other country out of the region, by using both military and commercial shipping. An interesting strategy, but one that tends to push the situation towards brinkmanship.

When faced with such efforts in the past, the British had an interesting counter: hit 'em where they ain't.

That is, out of the blue, they would conduct a military operation against something of value of their antagonist, far removed from the annoying situation, and without any provocation.

This was particularly effective, because it would take their antagonist by surprise, not where he was ready to meet the British in conflict. It would also unbalance their strategy and cause them to divide their attention.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2011-09-29 09:48  

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