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Turkey: Nato should view Syria as attacking it
2012-06-26
[Dawn] Turkey said Monday it would push NATO
...the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. It's headquartered in Belgium. That sez it all....
to consider Syria's downing of a Turkish jet as an attack on the whole military alliance.

The announcement came on the eve of a meeting by NATO's governing body to discuss the incident. Despite deep frustration among many NATO countries over the conflict in Syria, where the opposition says Hereditary President-for-Life Bashir Pencilneck al-Assad's
Supressor of the Damascenes...
crackdown on an increasingly armed popular uprising has killed 14,000 people, it's highly unlikely the military alliance will take armed action against the Arab state.

The unarmed RF-4E reconnaissance jet was shot down a mile (1.6 kilometers) inside international airspace on Friday, and two Turkish pilots are still missing, the Turkish government says.

Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc also said for the first time that Syrian forces had opened ground fire on a CASA search and rescue plane shortly after the downing, but did not say if that plane was hit.

Arinc said Turkey retained its right to "retaliate" against what he called a "hostile act," but he added, "We have no intention of going at war with anyone."

Turkey will push NATO to consider the armed attack under Article 5 in a key alliance treaty, Arinc said. Article 5 states that an attack against one NATO member shall be considered an attack against all members.

The North Atlantic Council -- which includes ambassadors of the 28 NATO countries -- works by consensus and all members must approve any action. The meeting Tuesday comes after Turkey requested it under Article 4 of the treaty, which allows a NATO ally to request such a consultation if it feels its territorial integrity or security has been threatened.

Asked if Turkey will insist on the activation of Article 5 of NATO, Arinc said, "No doubt, Turkey has made necessary applications regarding Article 4 and Article 5."

The prospect of Western military intervention in Syria remains remote, despite all the tough talk.

Such action is unlikely to get the support of either the UN Security Council or the Arab League
...an organization of Arabic-speaking states with 22 member countries and four observers. The League tries to achieve Arab consensus on issues, which usually leaves them doing nothing but a bit of grimacing and mustache cursing...
, and outside intervention without the blessing of both of those bodies is all but unthinkable. And there is little appetite among the NATO countries -- of which the US is the largest -- for another war in the Middle East.

Arinc further strongly denied
No, no! Certainly not!
Syrian claims that the downed plane was shot by anti-aircraft fire while flying low inside Syrian airspace.

The deputy premier admitted the jet mistakenly strayed into Syrian airspace when it was flying at an altitude of 200 feet and at a speed of 300 knots, but said it left the Syrian airspace after warning from Turkish radar operators and that it received no warning from Syrian forces during its five-minute flight inside Syrian territory.

Arinc reiterated Turkey's insistence that the plane was not spying on Syria but just testing Turkey's radar capabilities.

"There is no doubt that Syrians deliberately targeted our plane in international airspace," Arinc said, accusing Syria of acting in a "cold-blooded" manner.
Posted by:Fred

#13  DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > ERDOGAN WARNS [Bashir]BASHAR ASSAD | ERDOGAN WARNS TURKISH ARMY TO RESPOND TO ANY SYRIAN VIOLATION, describing shootdown of Turkish RF-4 as both both "hostile/heinous" acts.

and

* WAFF > TURKEY WANTS MORE PRESSURE, NOT CONFRONTATION [War], ON SYRIA OVER PLANE DOWNING.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2012-06-27 00:01  

#12  How much of Syria will the Turks want to keep for themselves?

Well, they owned it before 1917 [can we see a 'right of return' here] even before Constantinople became Istanbul.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2012-06-26 19:21  

#11  Well if nothing else the Syrians know they SAMS work. Now if we're lucky Turkey will try to revive the Ottoman Empire here and nobody will notice us bombing Iran because they'll be to busy fighting another war that involves everyone with coastline in that area.

Granted that includes Isreal, but I'm not worried about their abilities to wipe the desert with any opposition.
Posted by: Charles   2012-06-26 17:51  

#10  How long until we discover that it was Russian technicians at the controls of the missile battery.
Posted by: Besoeker   2012-06-26 17:29  

#9  How much of Syria will the Turks want to keep for themselves?

Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305   2012-06-26 16:11  

#8  Sounds like they were probing the Syrian SAM-net so they could pull off an Israeli-style blitz and got burned.

...was shot down a mile (1.6 kilometers) inside international airspace......was flying at an altitude of 200 feet and at a speed of 300 knots...its five-minute flight inside Syrian territory.

300 knots airspeed = 500 fps, so they were approx. 10 seconds across the border when the SAM chased them down. My sympathy is for the pilots and their families -- the Grand Turk can sit on it and rotate.
Posted by: magpie   2012-06-26 15:55  

#7  Let me see if I got it right.
Turks fly a plane into Syrian airspace, and---when it knocked down---call it an act of aggression?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2012-06-26 15:20  

#6  BTW: The 4th ID says "Hi!"

You can also thank the US State Department for that foul-up.
Posted by: Pappy   2012-06-26 12:29  

#5  Beat me to it, Mojo. Turkey jacked us around for weeks on the 4ID business. Nato does not have to do Turkey's dirty work.

And we need to stay out of the Syria business. Entangling alliances and all that.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2012-06-26 12:22  

#4  Wouldn't surprise me if the F-4's were kitted out as drones and then sent to Syrian airspace to draw fire.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2012-06-26 12:10  

#3  Gee, we're sorry, but we're kinda busy right this moment. Hope you understand.

BTW: The 4th ID says "Hi!"
Posted by: mojo   2012-06-26 10:50  

#2  Well, NATO's gone to war for lesser reasons...
Posted by: Pappy   2012-06-26 10:27  

#1  TURKEY DEPUTY PM BULENT ARINC ...

versus

* IRNA > TURKEY NOT TO ASK NATO FOR COLLECTIVE DEFENSE [invocation of Article 5] AGZ SYRIA - ANALYSTS.

At this time.

* WAFF > TURKEY NOT WILLING TO RETALIATE AGZ SYRIA WIDOUT NATO SUPPORT | TURKEY TO PUSH NATO TO CONSIDER SYRIAN ATTACK AS ATTACK ON ALLIANCE.

* DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > US WILL HELP TURKEY HOLD SYRIA ACCOUNTABLE FOR JET SHOOTDOWN, SAYS OBAMA SPOKESMAN [WH Spox Jay Carney].

ARTIC = NATO Milaction agz Syria highly unlikely despite the above.

* SAME > BRITAIN PUTS FIGHTER JETS ON STANDBY TO LAUNCH ATTACK ON SYRIA | [Daily Mail@UK] MEDIA REPORTS SAY UK FIGHTER PLANES ON STANDBY TO LAUNCH ATTACK ON SYRIA.

versus

* TOPIX > FRANCE CALLS ON SYRIAN ARMY TO DESERT [individuals, units, or en masse] AFTER PILOT DEFECTION, to Turkey.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2012-06-26 02:30  

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