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-Land of the Free
This Week in Guns, August 10th, 2013
2013-08-10
By Chris Covert
Rantburg.com

New Jersey governor Chris Christie signs sweeping gun legislation which further restricts firearms. More are on his desk waiting to be signed. Bastards never submit sweeping gun regulations that expands gun ownership. That's why they're fascists.

Washington DC leftist communications firm comes up with a talking points guide to further eroding constitutional rights. Main tactic? Shaming.

Speaking of shaming:



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Rantburg's summary for arms and ammunition:

Pistol Ammo

.45 caliber, 230 grain, From Last Week: -.02 each (.04 over two weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Ventura Munitions, Wolf Polyperformance steel cased, .38 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: LAX Ammunition, Tulammo steel cased, .36 per round

.40 Caliber Smith & Wesson, 180 grain, From Last Week: Unchanged
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Ammo Supply Warehouse, Ultramax reloaded .30 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 250 rounds: LAX Ammunition, reloaded, .28 per round

9mm Parabellum, 115 grain, From Last Week: Unchanged
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Ventura Munition, Wolf Polyformance steel case, .29 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1000 rounds: LAX Ammunition, reloaded (w/ ammo can), .28 per round

.357 Magnum, 158 grain, From Last Week: Unchanged
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Bud's Gun Shop, Fiocchi .49 per round
Cheapest, Bulk 250 rounds: LAX Ammunition, reloaded, .40 per round

Rifle Ammunition

.223 Caliber/5.56mm 55 grain, From Last Week: +.07 each
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Ammunition depot, PMC XTAC, .47 per round
Cheapest Bulk 1000 rounds: LAX Ammunition, Winchester, .48 per round

.308 NATO 145 grain, From Last Week: +.05 each
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Munire, Prvi Partizan, .67 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Ammunition Supply Warehouse, Prvi Partizan steel cased, .64 per round

7.62x39 AK 123 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Ammunition to Go, Brown Bear, steel core and case, .27 per round
Cheapest, Bulk, 500 rounds: Selway Armory, Brown Bear, steel core and case, .26 per round
Cheapest, Brass casing: Ventura Munitions, Fiocchi, .54 per round

.22 LR 40 Grain, From Last Week: +.02 each
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Munire, Remington, .12 per round
Cheapest, Bulk, 500 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt, Remington Thunderbolt, .12 per round

Guns for Private Sale
Rifles

.223/5.56mm (AR Pattern Semiautomatic) Average price: $823 Last Week Avg: $1,010
California: DPMS: $700
Texas: Private Build: $800
New York: Bushmaster C15: $950
Maryland: Palmetto State Armory: $900
Florida: DPMS Sportical $765

.308 NATO (AR-10 Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $2,089 Last Week Avg: $1,740
California: Sig Sauer 716: $1,700
Texas: Sig Sauer 716 w/scope: $1,550
New York: DPMS LR-308: $980
Maryland: DPMS LRT-SASS /w scope : $2,600 (Same Gun)
Florida: DPMS Mk 12: $1,875

7.62x39mm (AK Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $820 Last Week Avg: $739
California: Unknown: $800
Texas: Hungarian: $800
New York: CAI M70B1 : $800 (Same Gun)
Maryland: Romanian: $900
Florida: WASR: $799

7.62x54mm (Dragunov Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $1,100 Last Week Avg: $1,450
California: Romak PSL: $1,000
Texas: None
New York: None
Maryland: None
Florida: Romak PSL: $1,200 (Same Gun)

Pistols

.45 caliber ACP (M1911 Pattern Semiautomatic Pistol) Average Price: $568 Last Week Avg: $576
California: Springfield, : $500
Texas: Springfield, $650
New York: Remington (Stainless Steel), $675
Maryland: Rock Island Armory, $590
Florida: Tisas: $425
Posted by:badanov

#18  Dammit repeating again, moderators please delete the extras, thanks
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2013-08-10 23:44  

#17  I carry a .22 , I also have a .38 in the car,(With reloaded hollow points) I'm a dead shot and feel well protected, a .22 is easily concealed, but it's enough,(8 shots If you're concerned) I feel well protected. (
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2013-08-10 23:42  

#16  Apropos of this topic I led a sanctioned work "team building" event this week at a very nice pistol range.

A great time was had by all on the range but the most important consequence was we had four never before shooters see the light and sign up for basic handgun courses at the end of the evening.

Three of them were women.
Posted by: GORT    2013-08-10 19:32  

#15  Thanks for the suggestions. I'm going to see how many of the various types she can try out at the local range that has alot of rental guns.

She loves to shoot and she liked my brother in law's 9mm, so we'll find one she likes and make sure it's small and easy to carry.

I really like the .380 myself, so I've carried it at times. It's a good gun, especially with the Hornady ammo.
Posted by: Silentbrick - Oil Rig Insanity Division   2013-08-10 19:13  

#14  Take a long, hard look at the Kahr series from the very small PM9 to the larger K or T series.
Posted by: Chantry   2013-08-10 19:09  

#13  
Posted by: junkiron   2013-08-10 17:33  

#12  As OldSpook says; if it's not on you it is of no use. I have all calibers from 444 Schafer to a 22 Short. I carry a Ruger LCP. Much more useful if it's in my pocket than on the dresser.

Note: at 5'6" even a Colt Officers, Ruger SP-101 or Kahr 40 will print on clothing and as a male a purse just doesn't look right ;-). The new 380's are very much preferable and in a real situation you won't even notice the heavy double action.
Posted by: tipover   2013-08-10 12:02  

#11  My Daughter has a .380 It's a beautiful gun, she says she'd rather have a gun she can use.

(I'm proud of My Daughter, 5'-8 1/2" and beautiful, Might weigh 120)

Those of you who cringe at that, It's a 38.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2013-08-10 10:19  

#10  I've got a LC9 for carry. I like it. It came with the laser. I like it too. I did have the battery go dead because a have a soft pocket holster and the little plunger switch keep getting activated. I removed it until I change to a hard shell type. Depending how you carry that might make a difference. Otherwise it has flawlessly fed every round. Its light and fits in my pocket (it's roughly the same as putting my hand in there). They also have a little plastic pinky extension for the magazine that I need. Some of my friends don't like the double action only trigger (paper target bigots) but I thinks its part of the safety with its long pull.

My2cents
Posted by: BrerRabbit   2013-08-10 07:41  

#9  Well, in 9mm, I think the Smith 940 is hard to beat. Reliable, small, fully-shrouded hammer, DA only, and full moon clips for amazing reload times. Did I mention reliable?

Downside is 5 rounds/clip.
Posted by: WhiskeyMike173   2013-08-10 07:09  

#8  IMO....reliable revolver in 357 Mag like a Ruger SP-101.

True, only five shots, but small, reliable, easy to carry, and you can shoot 38 PSP to practice or if the 357 is more than someone can handle.
Posted by: no mo uro   2013-08-10 05:22  

#7  She loves her .380 and unfortunately, she also likes .45 but she wants something between for carry. And if she didn't know I'd whine about coming home and finding all the ammo gone, she'd practice all the time.

The PK380 is a little odd so I'm thinking it's partly a desire for something smoother. None of the gunsmiths will touch it though really. I'm really hoping I can find a range with a P239 for her to try, I think she'd like that. Not sure about the 938, but I'll have her take a look.
Posted by: Silentbrick - Oil Rig Insanity Division   2013-08-10 03:51  

#6  Hear it coming = hear it crack by
Posted by: OldSpook   2013-08-10 03:46  

#5  Oh and since my surgery on my strong side shoulder (3rd one in 10 years, im getting too old), I've settled in on a lighter round and a highly consealable pistol - my S&W Guardian in 380 Auto. I still miss my Glock 23c, but after 4-5 rounds, I may as well be throwing the bullets at the target (be more likely to hit it), my shoulder simply doesn't have the strength if I have to go one-handed strong side.

That being said, even a smaller caliber is better than nothing at all. 380 is the lightest/smallest I go. And a .22LR is not much at all, but if it goes bang and they hear the bullet coming, its enough to give most would-be thugs a good enough reason to run away.
Posted by: OldSpook   2013-08-10 03:45  

#4  The best firearm is the one you will keep with you and use. Go with that, be it 380 auto, 9mm, 357mag, 40S&W the venerable 45ACP, or a .454 Casull.

Get that gun, and practice practice practice.
Posted by: OldSpook   2013-08-10 03:40  

#3  Nothing says love like a Sig Sauer P938 Nightmare.
Posted by: Besoeker   2013-08-10 02:24  

#2  Now also checking if she likes how Sig P239 looks. But again, any suggestions are helpful.

Oh and no, she can't have my .45, she already shoots enough of my ammo in that caliber as it is.
Posted by: Silentbrick - Oil Rig Insanity Division   2013-08-10 01:09  

#1  Okay Rantburg regulars, need some opinions. I got my wife a Walther PK380, which she loves but soon she's planning on a carry permit and she wants something in 9mm now. I'm looking at 2 pistols for her to try if I can find them Ruger's LC9, probably with crimson trace laser on it or Smith & Wessons M&P Shield in 9mm.

But if you can think of any other ones she might like and are good carry, please post em. We want something small so 8 rounds is fine. Besides, both those pistols are relatively cheap so when I get my next gun, H&K45C with the "ergo" grips, I won't be out too much.
Posted by: Silentbrick - Oil Rig Insanity Division   2013-08-10 00:39  

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