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One reason why the UK voted no
2013-09-04
“Outrage is not a strategy. I thought military action always had to have a purpose behind it – so what is the endstate here? Hit, and then hope?

“I am not sure in what way even limited strikes help the people living in my constituency: how does this further Britain’s or America’s national security?

“There cannot be a sane person in Britain who would not think it a good thing for us to get involved in the war in Syria if by doing so it would ease the horrors faced by the Syrian people – and dire risks to people in neighbouring countries.

“We must be guided not by our alliance to America, but by our duty to understand that military force should only be used in support of a clear purpose and with a clear objective in mind - in support of our national interest. I am yet to be convinced that there is a strong and clear-cut case that military action will deter the Syrian government from using chemical weapons – nor am I convinced that in 20 years time some other tyrant thinking of using chemical weapons will turn around and say to his or herself “Whoops, better not do that: remember what Obama, Cameron and Hollande did back in the summer of 2013”.

“The use of chemical weapons was indeed a crime against all of humanity. But by firing one missile we are involving ourselves in a civil war on the side of a fractured opposition which includes people with proud links to Al Qaeda. By striking now, without clear cause and purpose, we risk consequences that we have not even thought of: this is a case of hit – and then hope.”

Adam Holloway, is a former British Army officer turned investigative war journalist. Mr. Holloway, without consulting his government, slipped into Afghanistan using his own funds (much like Michael Yon). In 2006, Mr. Holloway returned to the UK and eventually was elected to Parliament.
Posted by:OldSpook

#17  I'll support this intervention when the Pakistani Parliament votes to intervene with us. They can provide the manpower on the ground, and we can join them by providing air cover and technical support.

Until then...
Posted by: rammer   2013-09-04 23:16  

#16  What Barbara said.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305   2013-09-04 15:25  

#15  I was talking about the UK's contribution, but I do agree.
Posted by: Devilstoenail   2013-09-04 13:18  

#14  "The best thing we can do is just provide the refugee camps with materials and money."

F*ck that. Why does it have to always be US?

Let the Saudis, Kuwaitis, etc., help their co-religionists. After all, they've got billions for our oil money - let them spend it on something besides gold faucets.

Yes, I'm sick of it. >:-(
Posted by: Barbara   2013-09-04 13:12  

#13  Ofcourse all the UK could deliver is a few tomahawks from submarines and some stand-off missiles. The US could deliver are share of the payload easily.

The best thing we can do is just provide the refugee camps with materials and money. Help support are Nato allies and Jordan - which is now 1/5th Syrian!
Posted by: Devilstoenail   2013-09-04 12:15  

#12  Shi'a vs Sunni civil war and christian nations are considering getting in the middle of it? Yeah, that'll work out well, give them a common enemy.

It's hezbollah vs Al Queda. Let them work it out and clobber the survivor. Perhaps my thinking isn't nuanced enough but it doesn't seem that difficult.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2013-09-04 10:26  

#11  Never pet a burning dog.
Posted by: SteveS   2013-09-04 09:20  

#10  Listening to the clueless, stumbling bastid ramble, on the teevee. Talking about the outrage of "400 dead children"....while at the same time he's 'fully in' with Planned Parenthood extermination centers. Absolutely incredible.


Posted by: Besoeker   2013-09-04 09:09  

#9  Hope is not a method.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2013-09-04 09:00  

#8  Sometimes, having someone put a hand on your shoulder and say "Sorry, this is a private mess." is a good thing...
Posted by: M. Murcek   2013-09-04 08:53  

#7  Not sure of the specific reason(s), but British officers and NCO's being prohibited from the CENTCOM Syrian planning cell; pretty good confirmation that Great Britain made the correct decision.
Posted by: Besoeker   2013-09-04 08:43  

#6  And, no, I'm not saying there are no innocents in any of the benighted middle eastern cesspools states.
Posted by: M. Murcek   2013-09-04 07:10  

#5  The beheading of a British soldier on a street in his homeland by an muslim is still fresh in the British public's mind.

I guess the average Brit perhaps feels there's no good reason to help out any ingrates in Syria...
Posted by: M. Murcek   2013-09-04 07:09  

#4  Was it an unannounced test, or did someone forget to input target coordinates? Why just lob them into the sea?


It was the Israelis quietly testing their Arrow III system using Sparrow missiles, Skidmark. We had the story yesterday.
Posted by: trailing wife   2013-09-04 06:43  

#3  Obama's comments re the 'Maldives' might not have helped either...
Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660   2013-09-04 03:46  

#2  Was it an unannounced test, or did someone forget to input target coordinates? Why just lob them into the sea?
Posted by: Skidmark   2013-09-04 03:26  

#1  As per FREEREPUBLIC, the UK almost had a military confrontation when Turkish F-16's rose to challenge RAF Tornadoes flying over Cyprus.

Also as per FREEREPUBLIC > RUSSIAN EXPERT SAYS MIDDLE EAST MADE NARROW ESCAPE FROM MAJOR WAR TUESDAY.

Apparen after Russia detected two "ballistic objects" falling into the Mediterranean due to an un-announced US-Israeli missle test.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2013-09-04 03:03  

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