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Champ: Raising the debt ceiling does not increase our debt
2013-09-19
Now, this debt ceiling -- I just want to remind people in case you haven't been keeping up -- raising the debt ceiling, which has been done over a hundred times, does not increase our debt; it does not somehow promote profligacy. All it does is it says you got to pay the bills that you've already racked up, Congress. It's a basic function of making sure that the full faith and credit of the United States is preserved.

And I've heard people say, well, in the past, there have been negotiations around raising the debt ceiling. It's always a tough vote because the average person thinks raising the debt ceiling must mean that we're running up our debt,
...we did...
so people don't like to vote on it, and, typically, there's some gamesmanship in terms of making the President's party shoulder the burden of raising the -- taking the vote.
...certainly true in 2001-2008...
And then there's some political campaign later that smacks them around for saying, Joe Smith voted to raise the debt ceiling by $2 trillion. And it sounds terrible and it's a fun talking point for politics, but it always gets done.

And if there is a budget package that includes the debt ceiling vote, it's not the debt ceiling that is driving the negotiations; it's just it's stuck into the budget negotiations, because if you're going to take a bunch of tough votes anyway, you might as well go ahead and stick that in there.

And I have responsibilities at this point not just to the current generation but to future generations, and we're not going to set up a situation where the full faith and credit of the United States is put on the table every year or every year and a half, and we go through some sort of terrifying financial brinksmanship because of some ideological arguments that people are having about some particular issue of the day. We're not going to do that.

So the good news is that we can raise the debt ceiling tomorrow just by a simple vote in each chamber, and set that aside, and then we can have a serious argument about spending all the money I want to spend the budget. And there are significant differences still between Republicans and Democrats when it comes to the budget.
And since the Rethuglicans are eeeeeeevvvvil we have to do it Champ's way...
I'm tired of it, and I suspect you're tired of it, too, because it's pretty hard to plan your businesses when these kinds of things are looming at any given moment.
Remarks to the Business Roundtable (boggle) intended for the low-infos. Doesn't raise the debt? Well, okay then.
It's hard to plan a business when you don't know what your taxes are going to be next year, and what your health care costs are going to be, and what your disability contributions are going to be...
Posted by:KBK

#13  If a business ran its books like the Congress and President run the nation's, they would be in prison.
Posted by: OldSpook   2013-09-19 22:27  

#12  Just do what Washington has been doing for over 50 years, rig the books. Just pass an act making the 2013 fiscal year closed on 31 August of this year. Shazam! suddenly 2013's books balance and we start a new fiscal year. Then next year change it to 31 July 2014. A year of 11 months. Why not? Just for info purposes, back in 1970 the fiscal year did end in July. However Congress couldn't get its job done in time so they gave themselves 3 more months to do nothing. Of course since Reid has run the Senate, we haven't had a budget too. No new taxes, no shut down. Just the usual for the Beltway creative bookkeeping lying.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2013-09-19 21:32  

#11  Giving a visa card to your fashion obsessed teen doesn't raise your debt level either, but it doesn't take a genious to see that it will likely rise.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2013-09-19 14:42  

#10  Well, if we are not planning on increasing debt then I guess we don't have to raise the debt ceiling. Again.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2013-09-19 14:35  

#9  The Treasury Department said Wednesday the government would hit its legal borrowing limit by Monday, setting in motion emergency measures to keep the government operating for several more weeks and serving as a reminder that the nation's budget wrangling could continue well into 2013

The article's date is December 27, 2012.

NO SALE muggsy. If what obama is saying is true, then THIS raising of the debt cieling is LIKE THE PREVIOUS ONE. What happened during the previous one? Click on the link, and wow, Geithner sez the DEBT went up and now we won't be able to legally borrow money unless we raise the debt limit.

SO, before you blather that raising, not just a debt cieling in abstract, but THE UNITED STATES GOVERNEMMENT DEBT CIELING, will not ALLOW THE UNITED STATES GOVERNEMMENT DEBT to GO UP THIS TIME, please get Obama to explain what is different THIS TIME.

The way credit limits work is to prevent accumulation of excessive debt that it cannot be repaid. It is a CONTROL built into the Constitution for the House to "check and balance" the Executive branch.

oh, you don't like YOUR "Executive Branch" to be "checked and balanced" THIS TIME, when you "patriotically" asserted the right of the Legislative the "Check and balance" an "executive branch" that wasn't YOURS LAST TIME?

f*ck your hypocrisy.

Posted by: Ptah   2013-09-19 14:18  

#8  So let it be written, so it shall be done.
Obama, the Foist
Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839   2013-09-19 13:52  

#7  Don't mind me; just setting my Rantburg cookie for Firefox. (I got fed up with unstoppable Safari page reloads.)
Posted by: PBMcL   2013-09-19 13:37  

#6  Except that the Champ is using a verbal technicality to deceive the public. And the media is complicit.

But that's not news.
Posted by: Bobby   2013-09-19 12:23  

#5  Spoken like a malignant narcissist. Can't accuse him of lying because it's technically true. An increased credit limit merely makes it possible to borrow more - as distinguished from the actual borrowing itself, which is what causes the increase in debt.

Of course, the increase is needed because there is every intention of borrowing more, which every "average person" who's ever had a personal little credit crunch understands.

But right, we're bankrupt anyway. Hardly matters.
Posted by: RandomJD   2013-09-19 12:18  

#4  Technically, Obama's right. The debt ceiling restricts the Treasury's ability to pay for debts *already* incurred. The *budget's* where future debt discussions should occur. That's where the Republicans should focus. Brinksmanship around the debt ceiling just makes them look stupid and gives the Dems ammunition with which to distract the masses from otherwise valid (sometimes) messages.
Posted by: Muggsy the Full Bosomed1713   2013-09-19 12:06  

#3  Well we can't pay back what we owe now anyway...
Posted by: DarthVader   2013-09-19 11:45  

#2  "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday, for a Hamburger today" Obama logic.

No pay, No hamburger, MY logic
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2013-09-19 11:45  

#1  ...intended for the low-infos

So, translate it for them. Taking more of the blow while promising the Man you'll pay him tomorrow for the stuff today doesn't raise your debt to him?

Wait till you see the 'collection' team.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2013-09-19 10:35  

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