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| Baby in Coma after SWAT 'drug raid' team drops grenade into crib. |
| 2014-05-31 |
| This SWAT business really does need to come to a screeching hald ! |
| Posted by:Besoeker |
| #22 because thats o-so-safe when the bad guys routinely have high powered rifles. Like he's going to carry it out to his car? Awfully hard to hide an AK on your person. |
| Posted by: Pappy 2014-05-31 23:55 |
| #21 Hey, Play a few rounds of Rainbow Six (the game) and you, too, can be a member of a SWAT team and play with the cool toys! I like what OS said. SWAT teams are way over-used and used improperly. |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2014-05-31 23:48 |
| #20 State and local SWATs should be under the consolidate control of the state NG Adjutant General with the 'mother may I' from the state Attorney General. If you want military ops, you get military control. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2014-05-31 22:58 |
| #19 Well said OS. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2014-05-31 22:25 |
| #18 What OS said. This whole sorry episode -- and at least twenty or thirty other no-knock-SWAT-sudden-entry-on-supposed drug dens where nothing is actually found ... this will be the death of respect for law enforcement among the general public. Especially the otherwise law-abiding, LEO-supporting and tax-paying element of it. |
| Posted by: Sgt. Mom 2014-05-31 22:21 |
| #17 Clarification: overhand toss is used for breaking through glass. this was was tossed through a partial open door from the battering ram - meaning it should have been slid along the floor thru the opening, not thrown in. These cops were incompetent and criminally negligent. Too bad they can't be held legally personally liable. I want the cop that ordered this and the cop that threw the grenade to be living on the side of the road in a box - losing their home and everything they own. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2014-05-31 21:53 |
| #16 Hear, hear, OS! |
| Posted by: Barbara 2014-05-31 21:51 |
| #15 Another fuckup: you don't throw in flashbangs. you "bowl" them in, underhand, into the center of the room. This is for maximum effect. Otherwise they might land in something which would reduce the effectiveness, or even completely negate it. Like landing in a trash basket. Or a crib. I know, because I was trained on the M84 and its predecessors. FM3-23-30 has all you need to know. Military weapons should be reserved for military situations, and training should be held to military standards. Neither of these things were present. This is what really burns me: this was just a fatass rural wannabe soldier, wearing a mil haircut and using military jargon thinking it makes him into a real warrior - he is stealing honor form those who really do fight the enemies. Sorry Sheriff lardass, you and your chickens hit big-mouth SWAT team members want to do that kind of shit, join the military and do it legit. Come play with the big boys - take on well-trained fanatic Jihadis, not unarmed low income civilians, you cowardly sumbitches hiding behind your badges and mil surplus weapons and uniforms. A 3AM military tactical entry against a house that ended up with no weapons and no drugs in it, and none of the persons named in the warrant, and your "men" disfiguring and critically injuring an innocent child. Yeah, really good indication of your shit abilities and leadership. Or maybe, you know, you could simply try real police work: surveil (stake out) the premises for a while, see who comes and goes and when they do, and actually develop intel about the place and people. You might discover that the suspects you want can be much more easily apprehended elsewhere, away from the structure. Which, in the end, they were. Cops, your safety cannot be achieved at the cost of disfiguring, and killing, innocent civilians - that makes you as bad as the criminals you pursue, and worthy of the same scorn. Grow up and accept increased risk for yourself in order to protect and serve innocent civilians. And recall, there is a presumption of innocence, not guilt, that must be respected. This precludes use of military force in almost all cases. Its called police work, and its what cops used to do before they turned themselves into Sturmabteilung. There is NO reason for any rural department to have a standing SWAT team and military weapons. Leave that to the state police, like Texas Rangers. Use it only when there is imminent loss of life or harm like a hostage situation, or when there is direct urgency of a serious violent crime, not a 2 bit meth dealer raid based of a confidential informant's report. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2014-05-31 21:48 |
| #14 A vet was cut to pieces in his kitchen when a family member said guys with guns were running up to his back door and he grabbed a gun and aimed it at the men who just kicked in his kitchen door. A No Knock warrant being executed on the WRONG HOUSE at that. |
| Posted by: Bubba Graiting8281 2014-05-31 21:37 |
| #13 They don't get to play with their toys. |
| Posted by: gorb 2014-05-31 21:24 |
| #12 Never understood storming the fort unless you had to. Meth dealers are detestable, but where is the urgancy so vital that basic questions like, "Is the target at home?" were skipped. |
| Posted by: swksvolFF 2014-05-31 20:08 |
| #11 Mattress Inspection Police Come and Make Them! |
| Posted by: swksvolFF 2014-05-31 19:42 |
| #10 because thats o-so-safe when the bad guys routinely have high powered rifles. |
| Posted by: Greang Bucket7278 2014-05-31 18:35 |
| #9 Mattress Inspection Police are my main worry atm. I've removed tags knowingly. That said: Come and get me coppers! |
| Posted by: Shipman 2014-05-31 18:24 |
| #8 looks like they were after one guy, who had an ak-47. Why not wait until he got into his car? Isolated, limited movement, clear line of fire would be just better tactics. |
| Posted by: flash91 2014-05-31 17:51 |
| #7 Just what will it be like when the Postal Service and FDA are also fully armed. The FDA is armed. They like to conduct raids on the Amish. |
| Posted by: swksvolFF 2014-05-31 15:59 |
| #6 Just what will it be like when the Postal Service and FDA are also fully armed. |
| Posted by: irishrageboy 2014-05-31 15:54 |
| #5 I read more details on another page. The judge agreed to the no knock raid as their was supposedly an AK-47 in the house and the guy they were going after was known to be dangerous. Ok... fair enough. There were no children there during the investigation. The lady and her kid were there as their other place had burned down and had just arrived a short time before. Ok... still fair. Sometimes intel gets missed as Mr. Murphy will fuck things up. But then when SWAT showed up, the door was "barricaded" by something so they broke the window on the door and chucked in the flash bang. Only problem it was the crib blocking the door. First fuck up... always check where you throw. Then the suspect that they were after... wasn't even home. Second fuck up. Only execute no knocks when you are sure the violent perp is at the house. Otherwise shit like this happens. My personal take, the data gathering was good. The reasons for the raid were good. The execution sucked ass. As soon as SWAT got the call they forgot to check the situation at the target area, and the balaclavas cut off the oxygen to their brain and they reacted to the situation instead of taking a second to think about what was going on. They did their programmed training instead of using their training as a tool to work the problem. The first rule of any no knock raid is once it is requested and a warrant request goes out, keep some goddamn eyes on the fucking target so you know who is coming in and out and make a goddamn positive ID before running in like testosterone filled teenagers. |
| Posted by: DarthVader 2014-05-31 13:43 |
| #4 Remember, only highly trained police officers should be allowed to have firearms of any sort because they're the only ones who can be trusted with them. I found it telling that, as usual, a 'confidential informant' manages to conduct all this drug business yet the raid found no evidence in the house or grounds... Orion |
| Posted by: Orion 2014-05-31 13:28 |
| #3 The Sheriff - from his post raid comments - is an authoritative idiot asshole. Not too hard to see how this happened with leadership like him |
| Posted by: Frank G 2014-05-31 13:20 |
| #2 I guess they've never heard of getting behind cars parked at a safe distance and using a telephone or a bullhorn. |
| Posted by: gorb 2014-05-31 13:04 |
| #1 Small genital mall cops on steroids and Obama worship. |
| Posted by: no mo uro 2014-05-31 12:36 |