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Why Are Arab Armies So Generally Worthless?
2014-09-04
As an American soldier, I found that one of the best and most satisfying things about the first Gulf War, the liberation of Kuwait, was that we'd never again have to listen to how great the Israelis were. We'd seen the Arabs, met them, and went through them like a hot knife through butter. What did Tzahal have to teach us? It's a complex set of problems they have, the armies of the Arab world. Here's a true story that will illustrate a lot of that why.

During Bright Star 85, the Egyptian Army, which is one of the better Arab armies, set up some tents for us as Wadi Natrun, northwest of Cairo. The officer in charge of the detail looked at the Americans, looked at the tents (which were, by the way, better than ours), looked at the Americans; He was thinking that an American's signature on a hand receipt would do him no good if one of those very good and very expensive tents grew legs and went to hide in a shipping container.

He put his platoon in formation, held up three fingers, and announced, "I need three guards." Every man reached into his back pocket, pulled out a wallet and began peeling off notes. That is to say, they were offering bribes, baksheesh. The three who came up with the smallest bribes were picked to guard the tents. These three then proceeded to squat by the road, hold hands, and cry like babies. And it was sort of understandable that they cried because for the next four days they got no food or water except what our men gave them out of pity; their officer just didn't care.

That's what you fight when you fight Arab armies, and that's why we went through them like lightning. They're a collection of demoralized bipedal sheep usually led by corrupt and connected human filth. Exceptions? Sure there are exceptions; I've met a few. That's why we call them "exceptional."

The Arabs are what the sociologists like to call "amoral familists." This means that they are nearly or totally incapable of forming bonds of love and loyalty with anyone not a blood relation. Even then, the degree of blood relation determines where loyalty legitimately lies. The saying in the area is: "Me and my brother against my cousin; me, my brother and my cousin against the world." This not only allows a superior to extort baksheesh from non-relations, but identifies him as an idiot "a weak idiot, actually" if he does not.

Add in the Islamic fantasy mindset.

Don't forget "Insh'allah," (Which is like "manana," but without the sense of urgency) which makes it somewhat impious to train really well since it is all the will of God anyway. Insh'allah also provides an excuse for bad behaviour on the battlefield. Add in a set of social values that despise and loathe physical labour.

In an organization that is formed from a clan or tribe, the loyalty of everyone, from the rank and file to the commanding officer, is not to the government. It isn't to the country, which is a pretty weak concept in the Arab world anyway. Family and faith matter there a great deal; countries little or not at all.

Militarily, they've got nothing going for them
Posted by:OldSpook

#17  The jihadis are bound by the same cultural limitations, which is something our intel should be exploiting.

Well, yes. Unfortunately the days of Lawrence or the officer-on-detached-service are long past. State isn't interested and the Klingons view it as a conflict with their agenda, whatever that is.
Posted by: Pappy   2014-09-04 20:53  

#16  There's even some speculation on what makes clannishness so intense. Her hypothesis is that close cousin marriage literally breeds for the attitude.
Posted by: James   2014-09-04 17:59  

#15  Consider yourself on indefinite probation.

Hey, I haven't a chance to express sexism & Speciesism yet!
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2014-09-04 14:49  

#14  Last great Muslim leader (Saladin) was actually a Kurd.

I don't know if the Arabs can actually claim a great military leader. At first I thought it was because they came from a tribal society that went on small scale raids rather than actual warfare but the American Indians started that way and produced a number of great leaders.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2014-09-04 14:45  

#13  superior to various bedouin "armies".Posted by g(r)omgoru


An obvious racial statement. Consider yourself on indefinite probation.
Posted by: Besoeker   2014-09-04 12:43  

#12  #5 Actually, Egypt has, perhaps, the best military in the Arab world. Way superior to various bedouin "armies".
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2014-09-04 12:35  

#11  The jihadis are bound by the same cultural limitations, which is something our intel should be exploiting.

If only the celebration of 'cultural limitations' could end, perhaps exploitation could begin.
Posted by: Besoeker   2014-09-04 11:02  

#10  Which is like "manana," but without the sense of urgency

Should actually be "without the sense of relative urgency."

The only other exception I'll add is parts of the Saudi navy. The Sauds crew their east coast ships with sailors from the west coast, and vice versa. They tend to be moderately professional because they have nothing but their ship and each other. There's a decent level of professionalism among the petty and warrant officers, which is good because the naval officers are a mixed lot tending toward disinterested members of the ruling family.
Posted by: Pappy   2014-09-04 11:02  

#9  The jihadis are bound by the same cultural limitations, which is something our intel should be exploiting.

The organization takes the place of the tribe, but don't believe the guys selected to explode are the emir's close relatives.

In the Pak tribal regions (I know they're not Arabs but they're wannabe Arabs) the groups splinter at the drop of a hat and shoot each other up periodically. Abdullah Azzam might be somebody to name brigades after now, but when he was alive Zawahiri had his car boomed and off to paradise he went.
Posted by: Fred   2014-09-04 10:52  

#8  The clan based loyalty system and the corruption.

They have nothing to fight for and run like hell at the first opportunity.

There are units that have overcome this, but it is through discipline and training and loyalty to the state/unit.
Posted by: DarthVader   2014-09-04 10:50  

#7  Read the article. The author apparently chewed much of the same dirt I did. Bright Star, real fun, broken legs and all (google it). And deployments within the Magic Kingdom prior to and after Desert Shield/Storm.The Saudi National Guard is an exception to the quality issue, although it's clearly a tribal unit, as the author notes.

The only exception to this in the Arab world is the Jordanian Army, which was set up and run strictly by the British army along their lines - with professional officers, and uniquely amongst the Arabs, a professional NCO corps. All volunteer, they are unique in that they require 12 weeks of western style basic training, followed by 2 to 6 months of advanced training, after which they are assigned to their units with the expectation that they still have more to learn. Consequently, the Jordanian Army is fairly small compared to the conscript armies in the region, but in many areas they approach western militaries in terms of standards and capabilities.
Posted by: OldSpook   2014-09-04 09:56  

#6  Corruption.
The armies are mean of social and economic advancement along with protecting whatever political machine runs the country. It is not designed to fight and win a war in the modern Western sense. Its an EEO institution for whosoever clan/tribe is running the place.
[Don't get cocky cause that is evolving right before your own eyes as anything but merit is starting to take hold in your own institution]
Posted by: Procopius2k   2014-09-04 09:45  

#5  The Jihadis are nothing without their western facillitators, either

While many weakneses of the Araba rrmies will also be in the jihadist armies these will have far better moral.

Also don't draw too many conclusions from the Egyptian army: Egyptians are peasants and far less warrior-like thand esrt-dwellers.
Posted by: JFM   2014-09-04 07:43  

#4  A wise man named Fred once mused in passing, A man must plan and plan for his clan, his clan.
Posted by: Shipman   2014-09-04 06:44  

#3  Unfortunatly the not tto bad guys Arabs conform to this model and the bad guys (read jihadists) don't.

The Jihadis are nothing without their western facillitators, either.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2014-09-04 05:46  

#2  Dayan was asked the secret for his string of victories. His answer was: "Fight Arabs!

Also google for "Why Arab armies lose wars".

Unfortunatly the not tto bad guys Arabs conform to this model and the bad guys (read jihadists) don't.
Posted by: JFM   2014-09-04 05:25  

#1  Why? Well you can start with the fact that Arab armies are made up of ...Arabs.
Posted by: Bangkok Billy   2014-09-04 01:09  

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