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| The Grand Turk | |
| And now Turkey declares war on ISIL | |
| 2015-07-26 | |
| [Hurriyet Daily News] This column on July 22 cited the deadly suicide kaboom that killed 32 youngsters in the town of Suruc in the province of Sanliurfa on the Syrian border as a declaration of war by the Islamic State ...formerly ISIS or ISIL, depending on your preference. Before that al-Qaeda in Iraq, as shaped by Abu Musab Zarqawi. They're very devout, committing every atrocity they can find in the Koran and inventing a few more. They fling Allaharound with every other sentence, but to hear the pols talk they're not reallyMoslems.... of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) on ...the only place on the face of the earth that misses the Ottoman Empire.... That followed with the killing of a Turkish non-commissioned officer and wounding of two troops on July 23 as a result of fire opened by some ISIL gunnies after their attempt to cross the border into Turkey was prevented by Turkish border patrols. With the escalation of tension along the border, the Turkish government instructed the army to carry out attacks against any terrorist organization that potentially posed a threat to Turkey at a security summit late July 23. As a result of security assessments, Turkish jets pounded ISIL positions on the Turkish border in the early hours of July 24. "We are observing activity in Syria and on the border at every moment. Turkey will show the strongest reaction to the slightest movement that threatens it," Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told news hounds July 24, in a bid to show Turkey's determination in clearing its border of terrorist units. Turkey's attack on ISIL coincided with a serious and comprehensive agreement between Ankara and Washington over the use of the former's strategic military base, Incirlik, by U.S. warplanes as well as deepening cooperation in the fight against ISIL. The agreement, on the one hand, will allow the United States to use Incirlik and Turkish airspace to hit ISIL but on the other hand it will allow Turkey to establish secure zones inside Syria. Beyond this, as an anonymous U.S. official told the New York Times ...which still proudly displays Walter Duranty's Pulitzer prize... , this move of Turkey's would be a game-changer in the Syrian theater and would surely re-balance all parameters in the region. As the Suruc massacre has shown, however, ISIL is no longer an external threat. Simultaneously with the aerial campaign, Turkish security forces launched an extensive raid against ISIL which also included other terror organizations like the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) and the Revolutionary People's Liberation Party-Front (DHKP-C) in more than dozen towns. As the main transit country for imported muscle who had joined ISIL in the last one-and-half-years, Turkey unfortunately has become a ground for the world's bloodiest terrorist organization with cells operating across the country. These cells were claimed to have helped imported muscle cross into Syria as well as provided some logistic support to the organization. There is no solid intelligence on how many ISIL members and sympathizers are in Turkey and how many of them are planning terror acts. This unfortunately makes ISIL an important internal threat that needs to be immediately dealt with and eliminated before it hits civilian targets. But as Davutoglu suggested yesterday, Turkish security believes these three terror organizations are committing their terrorist acts simultaneously and in coordination, thus creating a sort of terrorist bloc, despite having totally different world views and political objectives.
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| Posted by:Fred |
| #12 Bravo, TopRev. YES -> sharia code must be crushed utterly. Problem - steps 1 - admit there is a problem We have not even got to first base. The security infrastructure, spy infrastructure, armed forces, politicians, media none of them will admit there is a problem with sharia. Nobody will say: Muslims are welcome, Sharia is not. We are thus crippled and the citizenry are left to defend themselves. Our rulers have gone on holiday. They are busy playing with the military hardware, deploying it in useless fields which don't fix the problem. The problem is now inside our countries. We cannot even get to square 1. This very site often carries their water for them, calling Islamofascists "Daesh" instead of their true name "Islamic state". Always hiding Islam from the problem. NO - speak OUT. Sharia is the problem, it is part of Islam. Secular Muslims are the solution - they are also part of Islam. Pick a side and fight goddamit |
| Posted by: anon1 2015-07-26 23:05 |
| #11 "Muslims are welcome, Sharia is not." Amen!: http://theological-geography.net/?p=20392 |
| Posted by: TopRev 2015-07-26 22:14 |
| #10 ...well, sort of like war on low level war on their own military establishment, Israel, the Kurds, and they've now added now ISIS. You'd think they'd try to keep the number down. Maybe they'll add the Greeks next month. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2015-07-26 18:56 |
| #9 "War" like pakistan declares on the Taliban? |
| Posted by: Bright Pebbles 2015-07-26 17:23 |
| #8 With respect to Turkey, when you lay down with rats and fleas, you get the plague. |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2015-07-26 15:05 |
| #7 I always thought those unmarked F-4s bombing ISIS in Iraq were actually Turkish. This goes back further than the article implies. Yep, you have the secular and the clerical fighting it out. The secular go about their daily lives enjoying Westernized life with all of its benefits and trot dutifully and faithfully to the mosque five times a day for prayers. The clerical want to turn back the clock like Benjamin Button and go back to the grand old days of the Turkish empire with slaves, harems, rampant disease and vast ignorance easily controlled. Somewhere in there is the real motive for this ISIS fanaticism funded by some wealthy non-clerical states. |
| Posted by: Bill Clinton 2015-07-26 12:41 |
| #6 grom - i wish that thinking did in inform attitudes but all i have seen since 9/11 has been official denials that islam has *anything* to do with the problem. Not once have i seen our leaders in politics, the media or anybody given any kind of platform speak out and say sharia is the problem. declare the caliphate the enemy, sharia the ideology and start kicking them out and locking them up. what is the problem??? have not seen this not even once. hizb ut tahrir roam the streets of lakemba. Sharia criminal law the 4-volume set, for sale in the bookshops there. our banks now issue sharia-compliant products we now eat meat slaughtered by muslim men, praying with a koran over an animal that takes 5 minutes to bleed to death, that isnt even labelled as ritually slaughtered so I have no ability to avoid it at the supermarket i see no evidence at all that secularists are being separated from theocratic fascism, with action taken on the theocratic fascist ideology of sharia |
| Posted by: anon1 2015-07-26 11:36 |
| #5 This is the kind of thinking that informed western attitudes toward Islam for the last 100 years, anon1. We see the fruits of it all around us. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2015-07-26 06:10 |
| #4 a) turkish leadership is not as secular as it has been in the past but the state of turkey is still a secular muslim state, with large numbers of secularists, with secular armed forces b) turkish secularism is now being threatened by IS theocratic fascism c) attacks on the kurds is a byproduct gift for the turks, but that does not detract from the fact that there is a civil war between secular and theocrat which is now on their doorstep |
| Posted by: anon1 2015-07-26 05:59 |
| #3 this is the civil war within Islam between secular and theocrat (a) Turkish leadership is not secular. (b) Turkey uses ISIS as an excuse to attack Kurds. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2015-07-26 04:18 |
| #2 this is the civil war within Islam between secular and theocrat we can help secularism win by declaring the caliphate the enemy, and those who practice sharia to be traitors. Boot them out or lock them up. Muslims are welcome, Sharia is not. Every Islamofascist from Boko Haram to Milf to Hizb ut-Tahrir and the Muslim Brotherhood all want the same thing: Caliphate through Sharia. Minor differences aside, they can all be lumped under that banner, and should be, and should face the same blanket treatment. Eradicate support bases from within the West, then eradicate abroad. Instead we have 'multicultural' internationalists who stupidly say those who defend secular Muslims (eg turkey) against Islamofascists (eg hizb ut-tahrir) are "racists". silencing them. |
| Posted by: anon1 2015-07-26 02:52 |
| #1 Theater - mark my words, they are using it as a cover to mainly go after the Kurds. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2015-07-26 02:16 |