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-Land of the Free
This Week In Guns, October 3rd, 2015
2015-10-03


By Chris Covert
Rantburg.com

It has been 30 hours and we know pretty much what we are ever going to find out, save for the type of guns used in the Umqua Community College massacre.

ISIS bad guys say it was them what dunit and their liberals allies want to blame the gun and the NRA.

One of the rifles used , apparently was the Ruger 10/22 rifle, probably because ammunition at as low as .06 per round, is cheap. But one of the most effective weapons used, save for an actual firearm was one lone individual who refused to go into that good night on his knees. I write a lot about firearms here and post a lot on Facebook about guns as well, but none of that matters without the will to use that kind of power. In the absence of a firearm, one individual decided to use some kind of force.

President Obama decided to lecture the planet about firearms and gun control which went over well with his supporters, and not many more. Golden Throats such as Bill O'Reilly, I assume under some pressure from his staff went a half bridge too far in talking about gun control, but the Douglas County Sheriff John Hanlin in Oregon said more gun control would not have prevented the massacre. Recall that Oregon passed a universal background check law last spring among a lot of praise and huzzahs, and for all that effort, someone got a gun and killed a number of unarmed individuals.

Left out of the ginned up national outrage against guns was another 50 people shot in Chicago last week end, this also in a city with draconian gun control laws.

Speaking of protection for the AK crowd, Apex Gun Parts is selling 75 round drums for the Romak AK-47, and some Picatinney shrouds for Saiga rifles.

For the AR crowd, you can read about the different gas systems for the ARs.

One of the exemplars Obama held up as to gun control was Australia. Yeah, about that.

Loads.

Rantburg's summary for arms and ammunition:

Prices for pistol ammunition were mostly unchanged while rifle ammunition prices were mostly lower.

Prices for used pistols were higher across the board while prices for used rifles were mixed.

New Lows:

.308 NATO (AR-10 Pattern Semiautomatic) Pennsylvania: DPMS: $700
.308 NATO (AR-10 Pattern Semiautomatic) Florida: Rock River LAR8 Operator: $600
.223/5.56mm (AR Pattern Semiautomatic) Florida: DPMS: $380

Pistol Ammunition

.45 Caliber, 230 grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (3 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Quality Made Cartridges, Store Brand, RNL, Reloads, .25 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Quality Made Cartridges, Store Brand, RNL, Reloads, .25 per round (From Last week: Unchanged (5 Weeks))

.40 Caliber Smith & Wesson, 180 grain, From Last Week: +.01 Each After Unchanged (3 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Freedom Munitions, Store brand, FMJ, Reloads, .23 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Ammo Mart, Store Brand, RNFP, Reloads, .21 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (5 Weeks))

9mm Parabellum, 115 grain, From Last Week: +.01 Each After Unchanged (5 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Bud's Gun Shop, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Cased, .17 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Rush Creek Ammo, Store Brand, FMJ, Reloads, .16 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (5 Weeks))

.357 Magnum, 158 grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (2Q, 2015)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: LAX Ammunition, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel cased, .28 per round
Cheapest Bulk: 1,000 rounds: Surplus Ammo, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel cased, .27 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (8 Weeks))

Rifle Ammunition

.223 Caliber/5.56mm 55 grain, From Last Week: -.01 Each After Unchanged (3Q, 2015)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt!, Wolf Polyformance, steel cased, .23 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt!, Wolf Polyformance, steel cased, .22 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (8 Weeks))

.308 NATO 150 grain, From Last Week: -.01 Each After Unchanged (3Q, 2015)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Ammunition Supply Company, Tulammo, steel cased, FMJ, .39 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt!, Tulammo, Steel Cased, FMJ, .36 per round (From Last Week: -.01 Each After Unchanged (8 Weeks))

7.62x39 AK 123 Grain, From Last Week: +.01 Each
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Ammunition Depot, Wolf WPA, steel case, FMJ, .23 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: SG Ammo, Wolf WPA, steel case, .23 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (1Q 2015))

.22 LR 40 Grain, From Last Week: -.01 Each
Cheapest, 20 rounds (10 Box Limit): Natchez Shooters Supplies, Federal Champon, RNL .06 per round
Cheapest Bulk (2 Box Limit), 500 rounds: Target Sports USA, Aguila Superextra, RNL, .08 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks))

Guns for Private Sale
Rifles

.223/5.56mm (AR Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $476 Last Week Avg: $515 (-) ($616 (25 Weeks), $476 (CA: $486 (9 Weeks)))
California (265, 271): Smith & Wesson M&P 15 Sport: $500 ($650 (35 Weeks), $400 (4 Weeks))
Texas (306, 328): Anderson Carbine: $550 ($700 (30 Weeks), $350 (25 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (184, 177): Smith & Wesson M&P 15 Sport: $450 ($700 (24 Weeks), $300 (12 Weeks))
Virginia (206, 205): DPMS (w/scope): $500 ($750 (30 Weeks), $500 (34 Weeks))
Florida (399, 392): DPMS: $380 ($650 (15 Weeks), $380 (CA: $450 (48 Weeks)))

.308 NATO (AR-10 Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $840 Last Week Avg: $829 (+) ($1,359 (23 Weeks), $829 (2 Weeks))
California (50, 50): Bushmaster Orc: $1,150 ($1,700 (38 Weeks), $850 (8 Weeks))
Texas (59, 66): DPMS: $800 ($1,500 (44 Weeks), $800 (8 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (37, 38): DPMS: $700 ($1,500 (30 Weeks), $700 (CA: $800 (37 Weeks)))
Virginia (52, 54): Palmetto State Armory: $950 ($1,650 (14 Weeks), $900 (44 Weeks))
Florida (78, 84): Rock River LAR8 Operator: $600 ($1,500 (45 Weeks), $600 (CA: $700 (6 Weeks)))

7.62x39mm (AK Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $520 Last Week Avg: $507 (+) ($626 (26 Weeks), $450 (13 Weeks))
California (44, 44): Saiga: $550 ($700 (29 Weeks), $320 (40 Weeks))
Texas (74, 75): Saiga: $600 ($750 (28 Weeks), $350 (46 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (46, 48): Century RAS-47: $400 ($750 (35 Weeks), $375 (20 Weeks))
Virginia (43, 42): I.O: $500 ($625 (31 Weeks), $350 (33 Weeks))
Florida (120, 111): Romak: $550 ($650 (24 Weeks), $300 (44 Weeks))

30-30 Winchester Lever Action Average Price: $360 Last Week Avg: $365 (-) ($489 (32 Weeks), $296 (14 Weeks))
California (8, 9): Marlin: $300 ($500 (7 Weeks), $180 (14 Weeks))
Texas (17, 20): Marlin: $425 ($550 (33 Weeks), $300 (38 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (16, 16): Mossberg 464 SPX: $325 ($450 (34 Weeks), $250 (39 Weeks))
Virginia (11, 11): Mossberg 464 SPX: $400 ($450 (18 Weeks), $350 (36 Weeks))
Florida (19, 16): Mossberg 464 SPX: $350 ($500 (30 Weeks), $250 (16 Weeks))

Pistols

.45 caliber ACP (M1911 Pattern Semiautomatic Pistol) Average Price: $405 Last Week Avg: $385 (+) ($450 (32 Weeks), $350 (6 Weeks))
California (164, 168): Taurus 1911: $425 ($600 (32 Weeks), $300 (10 Weeks))
Texas (234, 240): American Tactical Imports: $450 ($600 (43 Weeks), $325 (6 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (143, 150): Auto Ordnance: $350 ($550 (22 Weeks), $300 (16 Weeks))
Virginia (130, 124): Rock Island Armory: $350 ($550 (24 Weeks), $250 (41 Weeks))
Florida (369, 373): Rock Island Armory: $450 ($475 (15 Weeks), $250 (30 Weeks))

9mm (Beretta 92FS or other Semiautomatic) Average Price: $291 Last Week Avg: $285 (+) ($336 (27 Weeks), $268 (5 Weeks))
California (152, 161): Sig Sauer SP2022: $400 ($450 (32 Weeks), $250 (37 Weeks))
Texas (268, 278): Hi Point: $225 ($355 (31 Weeks), $200 (4 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (215, 209): Diamondback FS9: $250 ($350 (49 Weeks), $200 (11 Weeks))
Virginia (182, 173): Smith & Wesson SW9VS: $299 ($400 (25 Weeks), $250 (11 Weeks))
Florida (431, 408): Beretta Egyptian M1951: $280 ($375 (41 Weeks), $220 (4 Weeks))

.40 caliber S&W (Glock or other semiautomatic) Average Price: $350 Last Week Avg: $348 (+) ($368 (21 Weeks), $300 (47 Weeks))
California (92, 95): Smith & Wesson SW40VE: $350 ($425 (6 Weeks)), $250 (38 Weeks))
Texas (106, 113): Smith & Wesson SW40VE: $300 ($425 (42 Weeks), $275 (24 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (90, 83): Kahr CW40: $350 ($350 (13 Weeks), $250 (33 Weeks))
Virginia (94, 82): Glock 23: $400 ($450 (21 Weeks), $275 (37 Weeks))
Florida (173, 171): Ruger P94: $350 ($400 (31 Weeks), $200 (6 Weeks))

Used Gun of the Week: (Ohio)
Enfield P14 Rifle Chambered in .303 British

Chris Covert writes for Rantburg.com. He can be reached at grurkka@gmail.com and on Twitter
Posted by:badanov

#8  Yes, DPMS is an above average, respectable AR frame.

DPMS link.
Posted by: Besoeker   2015-10-03 20:28  

#7  $700 for an AR-10? That sounds like a great price. Having used both 5.56 and 7.62, if I don't have to lug the ammo (far) seems a no brainier. Is DPMS decent?
Posted by: Whiskey Mike   2015-10-03 20:00  

#6  badanov, We have something going on out thisaways here at the moment, somewhere in between being armed in the house and rifle still in the case. Kids and I spent majority of the day in the basement.

Balls are so low I had to put a third shoe on. May stop by the club if I hear something better than the bamboo telegraph.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2015-10-03 18:54  

#5  swksvolFF: The only thing you can do is to plan, practice and hope that when the time comes to defend yourself against the barbarian, you can find your balls for real.
Posted by: badanov   2015-10-03 18:28  

#4  When that barbarian shot up those nice people in the church, everything down to the size of his underwear was being reported faster than you could say shit stain. This is remarkably quiet coupled with the grabbers pressing the emergency bullshit release button.

I hate the concept of shelter in place. Hate it. Would you shelter in place if it were a fire.

Nearly every structure and vehicle built has a common design - how to get out if there is a fire. I'd say use your head. I'm sure a mass panic creates a number of headaches for the LEOs, and you sure do not want to be confused with the bad guy(s), as well as the many dangers of a stampede. May just have to go caveman.

Speaking of which, still chuckling at Modern Man. I realize that article is really a sad man's public confession (writing about himself in the 3rd person as a model male figure - sort of a reverse side of Gollum, no?) as is lower fruit than a strawberry for anyone who lives outside a cocktail party. Taking a look at this brave man who sleeps closer to the door to hold off the raider while the wife makes her escape....where? Presumably, our often crying cannot teach his kids to tend to their own devices who loves his dancing shoes and authentic soda pop is going to charge the gate bravely as he can and five seconds later its over. What was the wife's plan, to leave through the door where we had the last stand of the 0.300 - its blocked. Shelter in Place in the closet? Try to out-scream her husband? Window? What about the kid(s), she know what to do?

I'm guessing Modern Man lives in a nice little Roman Town, with a wall, and gates, trained professional security. Safe enough to walk around outside half naked just to pick up a subscription to his own newspaper job. But, if taking uberman at his word that the plan is to buy time for escape, has that escape been practiced? If not a gun, then a baseball bat or pepper spray, an everyday item which could be used in a pinch?

We at our fort have an escape plan (fire) and shelter plan (tornado) and intruder plane we practice and adjust, usually at the time changes. Big changes as a child grows from a crib to being able to open a window and climb out unassisted.

At the fire house it is what we call a low frequency high risk scenario, and they are inherently difficult to train for and injuries are usually grievous. They say practice as best you can, even if its sitting around the game table with an adult beverage, like a cup of coffee.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2015-10-03 16:49  

#3  Tyrannosquirrelus? Dammit, Mr. T ate Dave Barry stole my hapax.
Posted by: Zenobia Floger6220   2015-10-03 15:37  

#2  $18-$19 trillion national debt and Obama goes nuts over a school shooting where the security guard was unarmed? I call squirrel.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2015-10-03 13:17  

#1  The consensus out here is the ban wagon was wheeled out quick and hard so the topic is, again, about banning all firearms, a hot topic to hash over and over - and not talk about the murderer and his intentions. Or background.

Thank you for the O'really? link. Have not listened to him for years now, but know people do.

Also saw the re-publish at huffer of shawn the van driver - not sure where to start on that, though I'm sure it had been covered. The papers, your papers please and the At The Stroke of a Pen is the obvious, but it was the 40 hours of training (80 for CC) which shows his ass.

First, who can take a week bloc off from work except the affluent or well connected? Its nice that when he was in the service, he was paid to instruct people being paid to take instruction while somebody else paid for the ammo, electricity, coffee, toilet paper, food, weapons, and so forth. His background as perspective would eliminate nearly everyone from the choice of having a firearm - well except for criminals. And besides, do you take the training first then get your ticket, but you need your firearm to take the class - unless the class is all classwork and no range time, which the class is a total failure without range time. I don't care what he was, he is now somebody who feels they made it, and doesn't want anybody else to be able to make it. Fuck him.

I'm going to take a second to plug Mom and Pop's. If you are considering, or brand new, your Mom and Pop stores are a great resource of information (the ones I have been to at least) they like what they are doing, and people who like what they do talk to them. They are not bound by the big box constraints (on one hand, the clerks who are just register monkeys and act like they couldn't shut the water off to an overflowing toilet, and the others who are so swamped with customers that they simply cannot give you personal consulting time). Yes, you may pay an extra couple dollars but the knowledge those small shop owners possess is worth that, especially if you build that relationship by purchasing ammo and accessories from them. They will have suggestions, they will know which ranges are good or bad, probably even give a basic maintenance procedure on your new purchase.

But all that is useless unless you have the will to defend yours. I have no proven suggestions for that, as I have not had to, other than thinking about and giving myself permission that nobody will freely fuck with mine. Call it a long, personal prayer for guidance and strength, that I have more love and compassion for mine than the barbarian, that it is my instruction to care for mine first and foremost, and to do otherwise is immoral.

It is that last point where professional and volunteer responders get into a very personal entanglement. And if something is happening to you or yours, the barbarian made the first move, and by definition you are the first responder. I tugged on that knot by choosing that I may not win, but I will not lose. Suggestions?
Posted by: swksvolFF   2015-10-03 11:59  

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