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Home Front: WoT
On what needs to be done about ISIS
2015-12-09
This may be part of the 'Burg's Firm Grasp of the Obvious Dept., but here goes:
[JerryPournelle.com] President Obama apparently simply doesn't know that the Caliphate is growing rapidly. He thinks a thousand Special Forces and some arms aid to a few Sunni States, plus some charm played to Iran will take care of the entire Middle East. He thinks his strategy is working, when it is clear to nearly everyone else that it has failed and is failing.
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The goal [should be] is overwhelming force and utter victory including ruthless pursuit. The Caliphate cannot be allowed to own and rule any territory; they must be forced to go underground, where they may exist for years, but their legitimacy as a Caliphate depends on their rule applying fundamental Muslim Law as they interpret it. If they do not rule somewhere, they cannot be The Caliphate.

The only current Presidential Candidate who seems to understand this principle at this time seems to be Carly Fiorina. She does not stand high in the polls, but she seems to understand what is required in the Middle East.

It is possible that other Republicans will catch on; The Caliphate must be destroyed, its pieces given to forces not hostile to the United States - they need not like each other - and refugees settled in these protectorates. They can be protected by locals; the commitment of a long time protective force for the area is a separate problem. The Marines, deployed for one year hitches on American bases, are enough for a start, but it is a long time problem; but until the Caliphate is destroyed it will grow; and it will never be easier to destroy than now.

They have declared war on us. San Bernardino was not Pearl Harbor. The Caliphate is not powerful enough for that. Yet.
Posted by:Anguper Hupomosing9418

#5  See also WORLD NEWS > [NY Post] SORRY, MR. PRESIDENT, WE NEED A REAL DECLARATION OF WAR AGZ ISIS.

and

* SAME > HILLARY'S ISIS STRATEGY IS JUST AS LAME [weak] AS THE PRESIDENT'S.

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ISIS/ISIL = IRAN, OTHER ME GOVT-STATE? = go NUCLEAR wid US-Allied help + PCoorect acquiesce???
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2015-12-09 22:01  

#4  My guess is Putin understand the Caliphate. Russia has been dealing with Muslims since Stalin tranported the population of Chechnya to the middle of nowhere Kazhikstan. Putin just wants to finish off the rebels first because he won't have the same lee-way afterwards.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2015-12-09 14:41  

#3  ISIS recruits jihadis from other countries? Big deal. The only threat they pose to us is when we allow people from those countries into our country. You attack ISIS in Iraq and Syria and they will do what Arabs always do, scatter and regroup later. You attack them in this country, shoot them and arrest them and send them back to their cat boxes and the problem is solved. But you are frustrated because we have a president who won't fight them at all, here or there, probably sympathizes with them.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305   2015-12-09 11:47  

#2  #1 having been said, the opportunity is that ISIS claims it is a caliphate, controls territory, recruits new members worldwide to move to the territory, collects taxes and in many respects is a nation-state (whether or not other nation-states have extended recognition). This is not true for proto-caliphates like Pakistan. ISIS has also declared war on us.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418   2015-12-09 10:57  

#1  The problem is that the default condition of tribal areas infested with islam is to revert to a caliphate.

You cannot bomb them out of it, it's the lowest default state.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2015-12-09 07:02  

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