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New Russian SA-17 system in Syria painting US planes, manned flights halted
2015-12-18
Russia's military operations inside Syria have been expanding in recent weeks, and the latest Russian deployments, made without any advance notice to the U.S., have disrupted the U.S.-led coalition's efforts to support Syrian rebel forces fighting against the Islamic State near the Turkey-Syria border, just west of the Euphrates River, several Obama administration and U.S. defense officials told us. This crucial part of the battlefield, known inside the military as Box 4, is where a number of groups have been fighting the Islamic State for control, until recently with overhead support from U.S. fighter jets.

But earlier this month, Moscow deployed an SA-17 advanced air defense system near the area and began "painting" U.S. planes, targeting them with radar in what U.S. officials said was a direct and dangerous provocation. The Pentagon halted all manned flights, although U.S. drones are still flying in the area. Russia then began bombing the rebels the U.S. had been supporting. (U.S. manned airstrikes continue elsewhere in Syria.)

Inside the top levels of the administration, officials are debating what to do next. The issue is serious enough that Secretary of State John Kerry raised it with Russian President Vladimir Putin when they met on Tuesday, and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman General John Dunford has discussed it with his Russian counterpart as well, a spokesman for U.S. Air Force Central Command told us.

There is a new crisis for the international effort to destroy the Islamic State, created by the Kremlin. The U.S. has stopped flying manned air-support missions for rebels in a key part of northern Syria due to Russia's expansion of air defense systems there, and the Barack Obama administration is scrambling to figure out what to do about it.

Russia's military operations inside Syria have been expanding in recent weeks, and the latest Russian deployments, made without any advance notice to the U.S., have disrupted the U.S.-led coalition's efforts to support Syrian rebel forces fighting against the Islamic State near the Turkey-Syria border, just west of the Euphrates River, several Obama administration and U.S. defense officials told us. This crucial part of the battlefield, known inside the military as Box 4, is where a number of groups have been fighting the Islamic State for control, until recently with overhead support from U.S. fighter jets.

But earlier this month, Moscow deployed an SA-17 advanced air defense system near the area and began "painting" U.S. planes, targeting them with radar in what U.S. officials said was a direct and dangerous provocation. The Pentagon halted all manned flights, although U.S. drones are still flying in the area. Russia then began bombing the rebels the U.S. had been supporting. (U.S. manned airstrikes continue elsewhere in Syria.)

Inside the top levels of the administration, officials are debating what to do next. The issue is serious enough that Secretary of State John Kerry raised it with Russian President Vladimir Putin when they met on Tuesday, and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman General John Dunford has discussed it with his Russian counterpart as well, a spokesman for U.S. Air Force Central Command told us.

"The increasing number of Russian-supplied advanced air defense systems in Syria, including SA-17s, is another example that Russia and the regime seek to complicate the global counter-Daesh coalition's air campaign," said Major Tim Smith, using another term for the Islamic State.

The increasing number of Russian air defense systems further complicate an already difficult situation over the skies in Syria, and do nothing to advance the fight against the Islamic State, which has no air force, Smith said. He added that Russia could instead be using its influence with the regime to press President Bashar al-Assad to cease attacking civilians. "Unhelpful actions by Russia and the Syrian regime will not stop coalition counter-Daesh operations in Syria, nor will such actions push the coalition away from specific regions in Syria where Daesh is operating," said Smith.

Smith did not deny the administration officials' characterization of the situation in Box 4. Captain Jeff Davis, a Pentagon spokesman, told us that the U.S. continues to fly manned and unmanned strike missions in the areas of Syria where the Islamic State is active, including strikes Wednesday in the northeastern towns of Manjib and Mara. He also acknowledged that Russia's recent deployment of air defense systems have complicated U.S. air missions there.

In Washington, top officials are debating how to respond to Russia's expanded air defenses, said another administration official who was not authorized to discuss internal deliberations. The administration could decide to resume flights in support of the rebels fight Islamic State, but that could risk a deadly incident with the Russian military. For now, the U.S. seems to be acquiescing to Russia's effort to keep American manned planes out of the sky there and "agree to their rules of the game," the administration official said.

With U.S. planes out of the way, Russia has stepped up its own airstrikes along the Turkey-Syria border, and the Obama administration has accused it of targeting the rebel groups the U.S. was supporting, not the Islamic State. The Russian strikes are also targeting commercial vehicles passing from Turkey into Syria, the administration official told us. The Washington Post reported that the Russian strikes have resulted in a halt of humanitarian aid from Turkey as well.

These heightened tensions between the U.S. and Russia on the ground run counter to the public outreach Kerry has been pursuing as part of his effort to kick-start a peace process between the Syrian regime and the opposition. In remarks at the Kremlin Tuesday, Kerry said he was "grateful for President Putin" and looked forward to cooperating with Russia on the fight against the Islamic State. Kerry will meet with Russian leaders again Friday in New York.

Kerry also said the U.S. is not pursuing "regime change" in Syria, comments that were seen by many as another step away from the long-held U.S. call for Assad to step down. The latest U.S.-Russia talks didn't focus on Assad's status, Kerry said, adding that he was working to establish a political process that would allow Syrians to choose their own leadership.

While the diplomacy drags on, the Russian military continues to place Assad in a stronger position and constrain the coalitions' operations, said Matthew McInnis, a former Iran analyst for U.S. Central Command and now a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. "The Russians are trying to create zones where they would have to give permission for U.S. flights," he said. "The Russians are increasingly defining the military landscape by their actions."
Posted by:Thraling Hupoluns2819

#8  Lay down a little "Israeli ECM." Let them track THAT coming in.
Posted by: Jatle Stalin3515   2015-12-18 19:13  

#7  There are some things missing from this article. Like, is the radar from the SA-17 actually locking on, or just tracking? They'd be stupid not to track, but locking on could be construed as an act of war. Also, do we want to share IFF information with the Russians? I'm sure they have it anyway, but maybe not a complete understanding. We could create something that would provide limited identification in the war zone without giving away the whole farm. Of course, Obumble WANTS to give away the whole farm, along with Syria and Iraq - the blowhard.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2015-12-18 18:46  

#6  Given that a NATO member nation and erstwhile trading partner shot down one of their planes, the Russians would be idiots not to actively track anything in the air.
Posted by: SteveS   2015-12-18 18:37  

#5  Yes they can Lone Ranger. Any weapon that can be fired from a fighter can be mounted on almost all our drones. We have some really big drones that could carry the smaller nukes if needed I would think. Their weight and size are similar to our bigger conventional bombs.
Posted by: DarthVader   2015-12-18 12:36  

#4  I thought that we have the AGM-88 HARM missile deployed, to deal with any surface to air radars that start painting our aircraft.

I wonder - can they be deployed on drones?
Posted by: Lone Ranger   2015-12-18 10:28  

#3  I think ol' pencilneck was the only one who was protecting Christians, among others, the only one who was not radical Islamic. Unfortunately, he also was/is a butcher. It seems like Putin thinks like "the enemy of my enemy" is my friend -- a addition to a great power move to gather influence in a strategic area. (Since a once great power was purposefully, internally demoted and demeaned.) Main purpose -- no Islamic terrorists. Bottle them up; let them fight each other. Stop Americans from supporting them!
Posted by: pyromancer76   2015-12-18 10:06  

#2  Might 'splain that story yesterday about the US F15s being pulled from Incirlik.
Posted by: M. Murcek   2015-12-18 09:54  

#1  Interesting. The Russians know who they support - ol' Pencilneck and the status quo. Champ supports the good guys, but he doesn't know who they are. Some of the targets of the Russians and Champ happen to overlap.

Oh, well. I think I'll stick a bag of popcorn in the microwave and await further developments.
Posted by: Bobby   2015-12-18 08:27  

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