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-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Greenland is now melting at a potentially catastrophic pace
2016-04-14
The Greenland ice sheet is the second-largest single piece of ice on the planet (second only to the one in Antarctica). Nearly two miles thick in places, it contains some 684,000 cubic miles of ice. And because that is all above sea level -- as opposed to floating, like the northern ice cap -- if all of the Greenland sheet were to melt, it would raise the world sea level about 20 feet.
I think I just figured out where all of California's water went!
So it's a bit worrisome that the annual melting season has begun a month earlier than the previous record start -- and in spectacular fashion, immediately leaping to a melt extent not usually seen until June. It's a clear and present danger to any low-lying cities, but also a reminder that the uncertainty of future predictions is one of climate change's most threatening aspects.
Much like the inhabitants of Greenland couldn't have known that their beautiful land would be overrun by ice a hundred years after they moved there.
This chart shows the percentage of the melt extent over the ice sheet by month. Today's outlier is extremely stark:
Is there a chart to go with it showing how quickly it was overrun by ice hundreds of years ago?
As Brian Kahn notes, even the summit of Greenland recently topped 20 degrees Fahrenheit -- some 40 degrees above average.

To be clear, this early melt does not mean the Greenland ice sheet is going to disintegrate tomorrow. On the contrary, while scientists have long thought that more than one or two degrees Celsius of warming would probably end up melting most of the sheet, they've also thought the process would take thousands of years.

Melting all that ice by direct heating would certainly take a very, very long time, due to its sheer volume. However, there are other mechanisms at work. Surface meltwater will flow down through shafts in the ice to the base of the sheet, where it can then increase the speed of glacier movement into the ocean by lubrication. A thinning glacier will also be more buoyant where it reaches the ocean, which will similarly make sliding into the ocean easier.
Any comment on what I think may be volcanic activity below the ocean floor?
This is akin to the linear versus non-linear question which I have previously discussed regarding climate sensitivity. It might be that glaciers will respond in a simple, predictable fashion to increasing temperature, with ice loss increasing in a constant proportion to increased temperature. However, they also might respond with acceleration, with ice loss increasing much faster than temperature past some point.

From where we stand, it's very hard to say with any certainty whether the collapse of the world's ice sheets will be slow and steady or rapid and catastrophic. One must conduct measurements across thousands of square miles of treacherous ice, and much of the key development is taking place far below the surface. Models can help, and the science is advancing rapidly, but it's a devilishly tricky subject (though recent estimates suggest at least some acceleration).

However, one can say that extreme, nonlinear responses are easier to imagine in circumstances with extreme inputs to the system -- like, for example, a melting season that begins a full month before the previous record at breakneck pace. And that sort of yawing between weather extremes is precisely the sort of thing that climate models predict under future warming. Knowing what will happen to a particular ice sheet is hard, but it's now established beyond question that more warming means more extreme weather.

This is a key academic question, and many of the world's best scientists are working feverishly to figure it out. But for political leaders, the implications are simpler. A potential collapse of ice sheets in Greenland or Antarctica might be somewhat unlikely, but it would be a catastrophic emergency if it did happen -- and can't be fully ruled out.
Catastrophic? As in it won't be immediately subject to OWG if a bunch of folks move there to avoid the political catastrophe here in America?
This should only strengthen the already ironclad case for strong climate policy. If an appliance professional told you there was a 1 percent chance your stove was going to explode and burn down your house, you'd definitely fix or replace it as quickly as possible. Even though the absolute chance is low, the downside is so large that it's not worth risking it.
But what if that 1% was an exaggeration?
Posted by:gorb

#12  Kind of makes you wonder how humanity survived the era when Greenland was, you know, green land?
Posted by: charger   2016-04-14 22:12  

#11  Oh my God how can we possibly save Greenland, said nobody

Where will all the mosquitos go?

New Jersey?

Fire Island?

Posted by: Mullah Richard   2016-04-14 17:55  

#10  Oh my God how can we possibly save Greenland, said nobody.
Posted by: regular joe   2016-04-14 16:47  

#9  My thoughts are:
Multiply 2 miles of ice by the ratio of Greenland's surface area to the Earth's wet surface area (which is 70% of total surface area):

2mi * (Greenland Surface Area) / (Earth Wet Surface Area)
= 2mi * (836300mi^2/(0.7*196.9Mmi^2)
= 10560ft * (0.0061)
= 64 feet

Which would wipe out most of the blue area on most maps.

It's a good thing. :-)
Posted by: gorb   2016-04-14 16:06  

#8  Closer to six feet.
Volume differential: 7,469,382 cubic miles.

That much would raise the sea level 20', if it was all water. Since 30% is land, that much would raise the sea level closer to 26 feet.

So the volume of Greenland's ice is 1,672,600 cubic miles of ice, or about 22% of the 26 feet rise, or about 5.8'.

Still, very conservatively overestimates by a factor of four, compared to warmist numbers. But the science is settled.
Posted by: Bobby   2016-04-14 15:59  

#7  Bravo Mr. Ranger.

This maps into my problems with the whole scam.
30 yrs as a bit banger including 5+ years as a systems auditor.

Those few pieces of code in e-mails from climate gate have enough issues to put the whole scam to bed.

Garbage in, garbage out.

It's bad enough when the GI is mistakes. This is deliberate lies.
Posted by: AlanC   2016-04-14 15:32  

#6  Anybody check your math, Lone Ranger?

I have no doubt your concept is correct, but before I pass it along to my family, I'll check the math!

I applaud your logical approach. I wonder if any of the warmers could follow it?
Posted by: Bobby   2016-04-14 14:57  

#5  So if my house gets flooded I can move to Greenland?
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305   2016-04-14 14:40  

#4  I used the wrong value for Pi - should be 3.1415926 - but this is pretty much angels dancing on the head of a pin. The numbers in the climatista article are still orders of magnitude off from reality.
Posted by: Lone Ranger   2016-04-14 14:36  

#3  Really?

The highest elevation in Greenland - a "mountaintop" summit, is 2.295 miles above seal level (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mountain_peaks_of_Greenland#Highest_major_summits).

Looking at Greenland, this summit towers above the surrounding land.

Here is topographic representation of elevation in Greenland http://polarmet.osu.edu/jbox/data/sublimation_figure.gif

Now, the radius of earth is 3961.3 miles, or 20,915,664 feet, at sea level.

So - raising sea level 20 feet would mean changing seal level to 20,915,684 feet from Earth's center.

Now, there is whole lot of land interfering with any calculation of ocean volume, based on increase in sea level. And - Earth is not a perfect sphere.

But - lets do the simple numbers:

Volume of a sphere = 4/3 x pi x (radius) cubed.

Earth (before) = 4/3 x 3.141586 x (20,915,664 feet) cubed - and then compute cubic miles by dividing by (5,280 feet) cubed.

260,375,964,295 cubic miles

Earth (after) = 4/3 x 3.141586 x (20,915,864 feet) cubed - and then compute cubic miles by dividing by (5,280 feet) cubed.

260,383,433.677 cubic miles.

Volume differential: 7,469,382 cubic miles.

Now - figure in land mass that accounts for some of the increased volume. Land account for 29% or 30% of Earth's surface. Let's say 29.5%. So - assuming that 70.5% of the volumetric increase of the sphere's volume is water, that is 526,591,431 cubic miles of additional water, to raise sea level 20 feet.

Surface area of Greenland is 836,300 square miles. Add 2 miles of ice sheet over THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, and you get 1,672,600 cubic miles of ice.

Compare 1,672,600 cubic miles of ice - if ALL of Iceland was two miles deep in ice, and it all melted - and created the same volume of water - to 526,591,431 cubic miles of additional water needed, to raise sea level 20 feet.

By my thumbnail calculations, Greenland - if ALL ICE TWO MILES THICK - AND THEN COMPLETELY MELTED could produce 0.0031764 of the required amount of sea level rise, compared to 20 feet. That is - an increase in ocean depth of 0.7623 inches.

Now, there are lots of deviations from ideal - oceanfront contour of land mass - and also variations in ice thickness on Greenland's land surface - and the fact that melting ice produces a decreased volume of liquid water - and the fact that the ENTIRE ice sheet does not melt - but - in general - the article exaggerates by a factor of at least 315 times.

Total bullshit.


Posted by: Lone Ranger   2016-04-14 14:31  

#2  The MMGW crowd always yells at us when we take one weather event to show that global warming isn't happening how they think, then they take one small point in time and say how the world will end.

Everything is proof that man is changing the climate, cold or hot and anything saying something else is heresy.
Posted by: DarthVader   2016-04-14 13:51  

#1  Wasn't this hyped by the Global Warming crowd a few years back, only to be proven WRONG?
Posted by: Raj   2016-04-14 13:33  

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