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This Week in Guns, May 14th, 2016
2016-05-14


By Chris Covert
Rantburg.com

Hershel Smith continues last week's discussion on following orders, with this instance on law enforcement. He thinks, and I agree, that most police and military would obey illegal orders, and would fire on civilians.

I read elsewhere that during WWII 85 percent of all riflemen the US deployed would not even fire their weapons at the enemy. That is an amazing statistic. I gather from that discussion that the other 15 percent would willingly fire their weapons and wound or kill an enemy in battle.

In the article today on wargames' treatment of WWI, it is said that that ratio is reversed primarily because of first person shooter (FPS) games, such as the Call of Duty series and Arma III. According to that article, shooting and killing an individual in FPS wargames has desensitized American riflemen to doing so in real life.

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In Oklahoma City we have the case of a local attorney who shot and seriously wounded another individual in what is being touted as a bar fight Thursday night. The bar in question is a disco with a 1980s theme, meaning lots of old fellas and young girls in their 40s. The attorney, identified as Jay Silvernail went to his vehicle, retrieved a gun and shot another individual. A third party who was carrying a firearm, according to the early reports held Silvernail at gunpoint until the kops arrived.

Silvernail shot a client of his last year, but was neither jailed nor charged in that incident.

Now, let me posit that Silvernail despite all the justifications in the linked article has zero business firing his firearm on another individual. Until his gun came into play, there was no threat from a firearm, nor was there a threat to him personally. Acting in place of police he could have, as the third party eventually did to Silvernail, held the victim at gunpoint, but he didn't do that. He shot him.

Read the article to see if you agree.

And I got $20 that says he walks on this.

Loads.

Rantburg's summary for arms and ammunition:

Prices for pistol ammunition were mixed on the minus side. Prices for rifle ammunition were mixed.

Prices for both used pistols were mixed, while prices for used rifles were lower across the board.

Note: The previous two week long price spike for AR-10 semiautomatic rifles was arrested this week as prices moderated in Texas and Florida.

New Lows:

None

Pistol Ammunition

.45 Caliber, 230 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (8 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Goose Island Sales, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Cased, .24 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: LAX Ammunition, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Cased, .24 per round (From Last week: +.01 Each)

.40 Caliber Smith & Wesson, 180 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (4 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt!, American Bullet, TMJ, Brass Casing, .20 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: Freedom Ammunition, Store Brand, RNFP, Brass Casing, .20 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (3 Weeks))

9mm Parabellum, 115 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Bud's Gun Shop, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .16 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: Freedom Ammunition, Store brand, FMJ, Brass Casing, .16 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (9 Weeks))

.357 Magnum, 158 Grain, From Last Week: -.02 Each
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt!, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .23 per round
Cheapest Bulk: 1,000 rounds: SG Ammo, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel cased, .25 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (4Q, 2015))

Rifle Ammunition

.223 Caliber/5.56mm 55 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (7 Weeks)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: LAX Ammunition, Hotshot, FMJ, Steel Casing, .21 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt!, Tulammo, FMJ, steel casing, .21 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (4 Weeks))

.308 NATO 150 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (3 Weeks)

Cheapest, 20 rounds: LAX Ammunition, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .37 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: J&G Sales, Tulammo, steel casing, FMJ, .34 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (8 Weeks))

7.62x39 AK 123 Grain, From Last Week: +.01 Each

Cheapest, 20 rounds: Top Gun Supply, Russian military, steel case, FMJ, .25 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: Ammunition To Go, Wolf WPA, steel case, FMJ, .22 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (4 weeks))

.22 LR 40 Grain, From Last Week: -.01 Each
Cheapest, 50 rounds (10 Boxes Max): Ammomen, CCI Blazer, RNL, .07 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 325 rounds (2 Cases Max): Natchez Shooters Supplies, Federal Automatch, RNL, .07 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (5 Weeks))

Guns for Private Sale
Rifles


.223/5.56mm (AR Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $559 Last Week Avg: $588 (-) ($616 (2Q, 2015), $476 (32 Weeks))
California (211, 203): Mixed Build: $545 ($650 (1Q, 2015), $400 (36 Weeks))
Texas (287, 296): DPMS: $500 ($700 (1Q, 2015), $350 (2Q, 2015))
Pennsylvania (144, 132): Smith & Wesson M&P: $600 ($700 (2Q, 2015), $300 (44 Weeks))
Virginia (151, 152): Del-ton: $600 ($750 (1Q, 2015), $480 (22 Weeks))
Florida (342, 338): Mixed Build: $550 ($650 (46 Weeks), $380 (1Q, 2015))

.308 NATO (AR-10 Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $1,075 Last Week Avg: $1,300 (-) ($1,359 (2Q, 2015), $820 (31 Weeks))
California (53, 52): Bushmaster: $1,350 ($1,700 (4Q, 2014), $850 (41 Weeks))
Texas (80, 87): DPMS LR308: $800 ($1,500 (4Q, 2014), $800 (40 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (29, 29): DPMS SASS: $1,200 ($1,500 (1Q, 2015), $700 (33 Weeks))
Virginia (47, 51): Mixed Build: $925 ($2,750 (17 Weeks), $800 (28 Weeks))
Florida (63, 62): Mixed Build: $1,100 ($1,950 (2 Weeks), $500 (31 Weeks))

7.62x39mm (AK Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $552 Last Week Avg: $567 (-) ($626 (2Q, 2015), $450 (42 Weeks))
California (37, 43): Zastava NPAP: $600 ($725 (8 Weeks), $320 (4Q, 2014))
Texas (70, 71): Unknown Brand: $560 ($800 (18 Weeks), $350 (3Q, 2014))
Pennsylvania (55, 51): CAI RAS-47: $500 ($750 (1Q, 2015), $375 (1Q, 2015))
Virginia (41, 39): CAI AMD 65: $500 ($650 (8 Weeks), $350 (1Q, 2015))
Florida (99, 95): Zastava NPap: $600 ($700 (11 Weeks), $300 (4Q, 2014))

30-30 Winchester Lever Action Average Price: $342 Last Week Avg: $424 (-) ($489 (1Q, 2015), $296 (45 Weeks))
California (10, 11): Winchester Model 54: $350 ($600 (9 Weeks), $180 (48 Weeks))
Texas (17, 18): Marlin 336CS: $400 ($550 (1Q, 2015), $300 (1Q, 2015))
Pennsylvania (23, 24): Marlin 336: $250 ($450 (1Q, 2015), $250 (4Q, 2014))
Virginia (12, 8): Marlin 336: $360 ($670 (2 Weeks)), $250 (24 Weeks))
Florida (21, 21): Mossberg 464 SPX: $350 ($500 (1Q, 2015), $250 (49 Weeks))

Pistols

.45 caliber ACP (M1911 Pattern Semiautomatic Pistol) Average Price: $431 Last Week Avg: $456 (-) ($510 (6 Weeks)), $350 (29 Weeks))
California (182, 176): Rock Island Armory: $525 ($725 (9 Weeks), $300 (40 Weeks))
Texas (204, 204): Tisas: $450 ($600 (4Q, 2014), $325 (38 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (159, 150): Rock Island Armory: $325 ($550 (2Q, 2015), $300 (48 Weeks))
Virginia (135, 136): Rock Island Armory: $475 ($575 (15 Weeks)), $250 (4Q, 2014))
Florida (269, 260): Rock Island Armory: $380 ($500 (14 Weeks), $250 (1Q, 2015))

9mm (Beretta 92FS or other Semiautomatic) Average Price: $277 Last Week Avg: $262 (+) ($358 (10 Weeks), $245 (4 Weeks))
California (181, 188): Smith & Wesson SD9VE: $300 ($500 (11 Weeks), $200 (27 Weeks))
Texas (262, 261): Smith & Wesson SD9VE: $250 ($355 (1Q, 2015), $200 (36 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (234, 225): KEL TEC P-11: $225 ($350 (4Q 2014), $200 (43 Weeks))
Virginia (196, 184): Helwan: $189 ($425 (19 Weeks), $189 (6 Weeks))
Florida (438, 426): Kel-Tec PT111: $250 ($400 (9 Weeks), $220 (35 Weeks))

.40 caliber S&W (Glock or other semiautomatic) Average Price: $320 Last Week Avg: $310 (+) ($399 (17 Weeks), $293 (13 Weeks))
California (85, 83): CZ USA: $450 ($560 (18 Weeks)), $250 (4Q, 2014))
Texas (105, 97): Smith & Wesson SD40VE: $250 ($425 (4Q, 2014), $250 (22 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (79, 74): Kahr CW40: $250 ($450 (6 Weeks), $250 (1Q, 2015))
Virginia (48, 43): Smith & Wesson SD40VE: $350 ($450 (2Q, 2015), $275 (1Q, 2015))
Florida (131, 138): Smith & Wesson 40VE Sigma: $300 ($400 (1Q, 2015), $200 (36 Weeks))

Used Gun of the Week: (Alabama)
Barrett M-99 (Bullpup) Chambered in .50 Caliber BMG

Chris Covert writes for Rantburg.com. He can be reached at grurkka@gmail.com and on Twitter.
Posted by:badanov

#8  Yes, that's the first book TW. I used the short cut icon in the comment window for linkage to do the links. For some reason when I hit submit, it would not go through. Process worked on the comment in the WWI game posted article. Can't figure out why one worked and the others didn't.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2016-05-14 22:49  

#7  Sounds like Mr. Silvernail Better Call Saul.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2016-05-14 16:31  

#6  Is this the link you mean, Procopius2k?

The html for a link is:

within angle brackets a href=URL
text for the link to attach to
within angle brackets /a
Posted by: trailing wife   2016-05-14 15:57  

#5  Wuz a pup, when guy said he was on the Yorktown. I asked, "how large a boat that is?"

Howdy, was I corrected.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2016-05-14 12:30  

#4  They also changed the targets on the firing range, replacing bulls eyes with human silhouettes.
Posted by: bman   2016-05-14 10:57  

#3  I read elsewhere that during WWII 85 percent of all riflemen the US deployed would not even fire their weapons at the enemy. That is an amazing statistic. I gather from that discussion that the other 15 percent would willingly fire their weapons and wound or kill an enemy in battle.

(I'd post the links to Amazon, but my two prior attempts with links failed)

The author is S.L.A. Marshall. The book is Men Against Fire.

It's an airborne unit deployed on line to cover their front near Normandy. The men are individually separated by 10 feet and the attack is at night.

However, he would follow up with a study in Korea, Infantry Operations Weapons Usage in Korea in which he recorded a significant increase in firing. Tactical doctrine and emphasized had changed. Men were paired up (you may not shoot to save your own life, but you will to protect your those of your 'hunting group'). Officers and NCOs were directing fire, as in smack them in the back to the helmet if necessary and point to where the individual should shoot.


Posted by: Procopius2k   2016-05-14 08:31  

#2  Percentage was better for artillery.
Posted by: Shipman   2016-05-14 03:34  

#1  during WWII 85 percent of all riflemen the US deployed would not even fire their weapons at the enemy. That is an amazing statistic.

U.S. infantry all divisions were labeled by the Nazi commanders as shock troops. Japanese Imperial commanders ordered decimated units to attack U.S. lines ferociously and suicidal in bonsai assaults and were cut to pieces.

I asked one veteran how many of the enemy his unit killed on various missions and he looked at me like I was crazy for asking such a question and responded "ALL OF THEM!".

Infantry was so on the edge at times they accidentally shot their own people. You were not to leave your fox hole from dusk to dawn as anyone crawling around out there in the dark would be cut to pieces.

End of Comment.
Posted by: Solomon Sheretch8343   2016-05-14 00:30  

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