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This Week in Guns: September 24th, 2016
2016-09-24


By Chris Covert
Rantburg.com

Matt Vanderboegh has shuttered his father's blog, Sipsey Street Irregulars. He has not publicly said why, although one of his friends, War on Guns writer David Codrea apparently is privy to the wherefores. But, like Matt, he won't talk about it publicly.

Two deaths in the family, first Mike Vanderboegh and now his blog, taken over by Mike's son Matt.

I suspect a lot of it has to do with the fallout from this post, but I can't be sure it wasn't something else completely.

The pastor who held a raffle for an AR-15 just so it could be destroyed will not be prosecuted by federal or Oregon authorities. If you read closely into the announcement, the pastor appears to have clammed up and lawyered up as soon as he realized what was about to happen.

Oregon is one of five states with universal background checks. Nevada and Maine are in the queue for a referendum in November.

Rantburgers had great fun with the Gersh Kuntzman article about guns. If you will recall, Kuntzman was the writer who previously said firing the AR-15 was like firing a bazooka. Nowhere in his vitae did I read AT-4 or LAWS rocketman.

Here is a rebuttal to the Harvard/Northeastern University poll.

Loads.

Rantburg's summary for arms and ammunition:

Prices for pistol ammunition were mostly steady. Prices for rifle ammunition were mixed.

Prices for used pistols were mixed. Prices for used rifles were mixed.

New Lows:

.40 caliber S&W (Glock or other semiautomatic), Texas, Kahr CW40: $240

Pistol Ammunition

.45 Caliber, 230 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (10 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Goose Island Sales, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .24 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Ammo Mart, Own Brand, Brass Casing, Reloads, .23 per round (From Last week: +.01 Each)

.40 Caliber Smith & Wesson, 180 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (9 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Ammo Mart, Buffalo Cartridge, FSFP, Brass Casing, Reloads, .20 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: Ammo Mart, Own Brand, FSFP, Brass Casing, Reloads, .19 per round (From Last Week: -.01 Each After Unchanged (2 Weeks))

9mm Parabellum, 115 Grain, From Last Week: -.01 Each After Unchanged (8 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt!, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .15 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt!, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .15 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (8 Weeks))

.357 Magnum, 158 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (2Q, 2016)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt!, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .23 per round
Cheapest Bulk: 1,000 rounds: Ammunition to Go, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel cased, .23 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (2Q, 2016))

Rifle Ammunition

.223 Caliber/5.56mm 55 Grain, From Last Week: -.01 Each After Unchanged (2 Weeks)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .21 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt!, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .21 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (4 Weeks))

.308 NATO 150 Grain, From Last Week: +.01 Each After Unchanged (2 Weeks)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Manventure Outpost, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .37 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: BulkAmmunition.net, Steel Casing, FMJ, .34 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (5 Weeks))

7.62x39mm AK 123 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (2Q, 2016)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Munire USA, Wolf WPA, Steel Case, FMJ, .24 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: Ammunition to Go, Wolf WPA, Steel Case, FMJ, .23 per round (From Last Week: +.01 Each)

.22 LR 40 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (4 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds (10 Box Limit): Ammomen, Federal, RNL, .06 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds (1 Box Limit): Gander Mountain, Remington Thunderbolt, RNL, .06 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (4 Weeks) )

Guns for Private Sale
Rifles


.223/5.56mm (AR Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $528 Last Week Avg: $528 (-) ($616 (2Q, 2015), $476 (50 Weeks))
California (230, 234): Palmetto State Armory: $585 ($650 (1Q, 2015), $400 (2Q, 2016))
Texas (258, 239): DPMS: $600 ($700 (1Q, 2015), $350 (2Q, 2015))
Pennsylvania (148, 142): Mixed Build: $435 ($700 (2Q, 2015), $300 (3Q, 2015))
Virginia (159, 157): Mixed Build: $500 ($750 (1Q, 2015), $475 (20 Weeks))
Florida (387, 397): Ruger: $525 ($650 (2Q, 2015), $380 (1Q, 2015))

.308 NATO (AR-10 Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $970 Last Week Avg: $1,030 (-) ($1,359 (2Q, 2015), $820 (51 Weeks))
California (72, 71): DPMS: $850 ($1,700 (4Q, 2014), $850 (3Q, 2015))
Texas (87, 77): Bushmaster: $1,050 ($1,500 (4Q, 2014), $700 (10 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (30, 28): DPMS: $1,300 ($1,500 (1Q, 2015), $700 (3Q, 2015))
Virginia (53, 50): DPMS Panther: $950 ($2,750 (35 Weeks), $800 (46 Weeks))
Florida (85, 82): DPMS LR-308 Oracle: $700 ($1,950 (21 Weeks), $500 (50 Weeks))

7.62x39mm (AK Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $564 Last Week Avg: $560 (+) ($668 (10 Weeks)), $450 (3Q, 2015))
California (47, 46): Mixed Build: $550 ($800 (16 Weeks)), $320 (4Q, 2014))
Texas (74, 71): Romak WASR-10: $450 ($800 (36 Weeks), $350 (3Q, 2014))
Pennsylvania (46, 48): Zastava NPAP: $699 ($750 (1Q, 2015), $375 (1Q, 2015))
Virginia (40, 37): VZ-2008 Sporter: $525 ($700 (16 Weeks), $350 (1Q, 2015))
Florida (97, 94): CAI Milled Sporter: $600 ($700 (29 Weeks), $300 (4Q, 2014))

30-30 Winchester Lever Action Average Price: $350 Last Week Avg: $403(-) ($489 (1Q, 2015), $296 (3Q, 2015))
California (5, 8): Marlin: $420 ($600 (27 Weeks), $180 (2Q, 2015))
Texas (17, 17): Marlin 336Y: $300 ($550 (1Q, 2015), $300 (1Q, 2015))
Pennsylvania (8, 8): Marlin AS: $350 ($450 (1Q, 2015), $250 (4Q, 2014))
Virginia (12, 12): Marlin SC: $380 ($670 (20 Weeks)), $250 (42 Weeks))
Florida (26, 22): Winchester: $300 ($500 (1Q, 2015), $250 (2Q, 2015))

Pistols

.45 caliber ACP (M1911 Pattern Semiautomatic Pistol) Average Price: $461 Last Week Avg: $423(+) ($515 (7 Weeks)), $350 (47 Weeks))
California (199, 200): Rock Island Armory: $500 ($800 (7 Weeks), $300 (3Q, 2015))
Texas (229, 225): Charles Daly: $430 ($600 (4Q, 2014), $325 (3Q, 2015))
Pennsylvania (156, 155): Rock Island Armory: $375 ($550 (2Q, 2015), $300 (2Q, 2015))
Virginia (158, 165): Mixed Build: $550 ($575 (34 Weeks)), $250 (4Q, 2014))
Florida (322, 315): Rock Island Armory: $450 ($500 (33 Weeks), $250 (1Q, 2015))

9mm (Beretta 92FS or other Semiautomatic) Average Price: $250 Last Week Avg: $254(-) ($358 (30 Weeks), $245 (22 Weeks))
California (297, 283): Ruger P85: $325 ($500 (30 Weeks), $200 (46 Weeks))
Texas (352, 333): Ruger LC9: $250 ($355 (1Q, 2015), $200 (3Q, 2015))
Pennsylvania (263, 278): Smith & Wesson SD9VE: $200 ($350 (4Q 2014), $200 (3Q, 2015))
Virginia (220, 206): Kel-Tec P-11: $250 ($425 (38 Weeks), $189 (25 Weeks))
Florida (547, 523): Cobra Patriot: $225 ($400 (27 Weeks), $190 (7 Weeks))

.40 caliber S&W (Glock or other semiautomatic) Average Price: $308 Last Week Avg: $325 (-) ($399 (35 Weeks), $262 (15 Weeks))
California (94, 102): Springfield: $350 ($560 (37 Weeks)), $250 (4Q, 2014))
Texas (141, 137): Kahr CW40: $240 ($425 (4Q, 2014), ($240 (CA:$250 (39 Weeks)))
Pennsylvania (74, 78): Kahr P40: $325 ($450 (24 Weeks), $200 (4 Weeks))
Virginia (64, 60): Sig Sauer SP2022: $300 ($450 (2Q, 2015), $275 (1Q, 2015))
Florida (148, 144): Smith & Wesson SD40VE: $325 ($400 (1Q, 2015), $199 (34 Weeks))

Used Gun of the Week: (Indiana)
Winchester 1894 Carbine Chambered in .32 Winchester Special
Posted by:badanov

#11  Know a guy who was talking about hunting with something like that Big Bore. Said he loves it. Said the rifle itself is a bit heavy, but offset by the lesser weight of ammo carried. Also, the comparative lack of sound is a plus.

The Daisy Avanti series is fairly popular out here, though only chambered in .177 the choice of pellet can offset the less mass; local club uses the 853 under lever and has a dovetail optic slide. Nice and precise. For instructional purposes, it is an easy step from Red Rider and can use a 5 round clip (belt, mag?). All you hear is whisp-crack.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2016-09-24 22:20  

#10  Gah. Positively. Going to sleep now.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike   2016-09-24 21:43  

#9  I tried to an intrinsically 'quiet' Mk48.Mod 2 for interested parties, but the platform was wrong. THIS has much more promise. Belt fed? No reason why it would not work. CC would be posivitey affected.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike   2016-09-24 21:42  

#8  Jeez, AUTHORITY. hangs head.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike   2016-09-24 21:38  

#7  I can't say with any authoity. Nothing wrong with break barrel etc but not .45 cal at 1050 fps. Pre charged capsules, grav feed... ROF, wow.
WHOLE NEW VISTAS OPEN. NOT FIREARMS?
Posted by: Whiskey Mike   2016-09-24 21:35  

#6  I totally agree re: ROF. It it the intrinsic ROF and the sub-sonic-ness (new word?) Of 1050 fps and 230 plus grains that I find exciting. New / old stuff.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike   2016-09-24 21:28  

#5  When I was looking for a grown up Red Rider, I saw basically three different genres - break barrel, under lever, and pre charge pneumatic (whose acronym I think ate my post).

I eliminated break barrel right off. I am sure they are fine, but I had issues with using my barrel as a lever.

The PC I found interesting - faster rate of fire, better eyes on target, selection of calibers. I eventually passed on account of a lack of immediate way to charge the cylinder and when you are out of pressure, you are out, but mostly because I remember the lack of consistent projectile velocity from my paintballing days. Perhaps that is not an issue, or as much as with a paintball gun. Don't know, would like to know.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2016-09-24 14:42  

#4  Whiskey Mike, I do not have any experience with AirForce, but reading about it got me as giddy as when I was a boy and we got the Christmas Sears catalog.

Daisy Avanti series is nice - competition barrel and sights. I have seen the manufacturer's sights removed and other optics mounted on a dovetail. Also, some models accommodate a five round clip (right word?).
Posted by: swksvolFF   2016-09-24 13:07  

#3  The SIX12 from yesterday made me think of the rifles in Aliens.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2016-09-24 13:04  

#2  Gremlin ate my work, will try again.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2016-09-24 13:02  

#1  Cold Steel Knives B6255TZ Big Bore 2 Piece Blowgun
$34.65 at Cold Steel Knifes, trending down.

Posted by: Shipman   2016-09-24 12:45  

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