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At Red Flag ‘It's Tough To Be Legacy Aircraft In An LO World'
2017-02-18
WASHINGTON: "You get whacked a lot."

Those are the words of someone who should know, the leader of the aggressor squadron at Red Flag, the man who tries to kill U.S. forces. Lt. Col. Tyler Lewis, commander of the 57th Adversary Tactics Support Squadron at Nellis Air Force Base, echoed comments we’ve heard before, that he often had no idea he was going to die until he was declared dead. Why? The F-35’s combination of stealth, Electronic Warfare, cyber and sensors lets them find, target and destroy an enemy plane from beyond visual range.

For example, more fourth generation fighters died in one day than did F-35As during the entire exercise through Feb. 2. It began Jan. 23.

(While working on this, I found a great quote by Capt. Stephanie Anne Fraioli that explains the fundamental difference between a fourth- and a fifth-generation aircraft: "With fourth-generation fighter airframes, speed and energy equaled life and survivability. In the fifth-generation realm, information equals life.")

Most Red Flag coverage so far has focused on a statistic we’ve all heard. The F-35As at the Air Force’s toughest combat training exercises are killing enemy aircraft at a rate of 15-1. But one of the pilots flying the F-35s -- Lt. Col. George Watkins, 34th Fighter Squadron commander -- says: "The kill ratio isn’t that important. We are more focused on the SAM and IADS threat." Think Russian-made S-300s and 400s.

At this Red Flag, Watkins and Lewis said the Joint Strike Fighter faces the most dangerous IADS threats they’ve ever encountered at an exercise. The plane’s EW suite helps it find the threat, then they can use their stealth and jamming to "get in a lot closer to these threats than anyone else can," Watkins told reporters. Then they can use their cyberwarfare capabilities, about which no one will talk on the record, and EW to neutralize the IADS. Or they can use a missile or bomb or a combination of all four.

I asked Lewis if his plane had been neutralized or affected by F-35 cyber attacks during this Red Flag. After a long pause, he chuckled and didn’t answer.

Also, the F-35s can gather the threat information and pass it to those less fortunate fourth-generation aircraft or, Watkins told us, "we can use stealth, jamming etcetera to get in a lot closer to these threats than anyone else can get."

One of the little discussed of the F-35’s effectiveness is mission planning. Capt. Fraioli, whom I quote above, notes that mission planning plays a central role in making stealth (Low Observability to the professionals) effective during a combat mission. "Up until about six months ago mission planning was fairly difficult to do day to day because we have to decrypt everything," Watkins said. Now they can change the data on a mission to mission basis. He also noted that the F-35As flying at Nellis had flown "126 missions without losing a single flight to maintenance" during this Red Flag.

On Tuesday we’ll be getting another shot at the F-35A pilots to discuss the exercises, which ended today.


Posted by:Blossom Unains5562

#10  The abilities they are listing sound optimum for a stealthy penetration light bomber. Comes in sneaky singly, or in pairs, and scoots for home. While the pilot is watching Netflix on those big screens. Air-to-air, not so much, what happens after the first kill "spots" them? CAS? Loitering?
Posted by: magpie   2017-02-18 19:04  

#9  Russia has the best hackers in the world, so what happens to the flying iPhone if we get in a dust up with the Russkies??

A computer that can fly, imagine that...killing bad guys over the horizon. So what happens if one of these Killer Turkeys gets up close and personal with a MIG 31? or some such Sukhoi or other that is also "fifth generation" and happens have an onboard gun if its missiles don't lock and you have a visual?
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2017-02-18 18:39  

#8  I keep wondering what would happen in a battle with all this silicon wonderstuff if somebody sets off an EMP weapon nearby.
I realize it's supposedly hardened; hardening is like bulletproof, the key is how big and how close.
Posted by: ed in texas   2017-02-18 14:54  

#7  I read somewhere that back in the day the US Navy tested artillery readiness and accuracy in exercises in calm sea, presumably with little or no wind.

Does the tradition continue?
Posted by: james   2017-02-18 13:38  

#6  Really from what I've been reading about Red Flag, It's like a scripted wresting match where the outcome is guaranteed in favor of the F-15. Too much information missing or redacted from the various reports that I could find.

It's been a while since my last RED FLAG trip, but the drill then and now is that breaking the rules to try and guarantee an outcome is a immediate-transfer-to-Thule level no-no. Nothing is scripted that isn't explicitly so in order to prove or disprove a theory.

For instance, I was present in the Observation Area (AKA the God Room) when a flight of F-15s - my unit in fact, the old 71 TFS - got its ass handed to it by the Aggressors, and lost a strike force of RAAF F-111s to boot.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski   2017-02-18 13:04  

#5  It's good news indeed if our fifth generation fighter can get a 15:1 loss ratio against older, early-4th generation fighters.

Now, if only we can persuade our opponents to fly older, early-4th generation fighters...
Posted by: Steve White   2017-02-18 10:33  

#4  Remind me not to post before I've had my coffee!

In the lase paragraph above, it F-35, not F-15

My apologies.
Posted by: Seeking cure for ignorance   2017-02-18 09:45  

#3  Another article had most of the OPFOR flying F-16 Block 32. An older F-16 that simulates the technologies that most countries fly but is fairly obsolete to our F-16s. They also have some older F-15s they fly as well.
Posted by: DarthVader   2017-02-18 06:00  

#2  I would like to know if Lt. Col. Tyler Lewis was flying a Cessna 172RG or some such? Article doesn't mention what he was flying.

Oh wait, the article mentioned 4th and 5th generation aircrafts. So presumably the 'Flying Turkey' is a 'fifth generation' aircraft, in which case, what are the 'fourth generation' aircrafts? It's a safe bet it's not the F-18 as it's already proven to outperform the F-35. That leave the original F-16 series (later series is superior to earlier versions) or maybe the F-111?

Something smell here as they refuse to identify the other aircrafts.

Oh I know, maybe the F-15 achieved their "kill ratio" of 15 to 1 against L-4s. Against any modern fighter planes (both propeller and jet) The Flying Turkey fared poorly? Perhaps the P51 and the P38 would also fare well against the F-45?

Really from what I've been reading about Red Flag, It's like a scripted wresting match where the outcome is guaranteed in favor of the F-15. Too much information missing or redacted from the various reports that I could find.
Posted by: Seeking cure for ignorance   2017-02-18 04:28  

#1  The end of flight skills as we know them.
Posted by: Skidmark   2017-02-18 01:22  

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