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Trump hints at 'big order' of F/A-18 Super Hornets instead of some F-35s
2017-02-18
President Trump on Friday said that the U.S. is looking into a “big order” of Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornets that may have stealth capabilities. Trump made the comments during a tour of a Boeing plant in South Carolina. The message appeared to be also directed at Lockheed Martin, the maker of the F-35 and corporate rival, Bloomberg reported.

“We are looking seriously at a big order,” Trump said, referring to the F/A-18. He said, “If the price (of the F-35) doesn’t come down, we would. The F-18’s a great plane and now put a stealth component onto it.”

Reince Priebus, the White House chief of staff, was seen at the factory holding a brochure for the F/A-18 XT, which is the advanced Super Hornet, DefenseNews.com reported.
How would the F-35 do against the XT? 15 to 1 kill ratio?
Trump has called the costs of the F-35 program “out of control.” He has been critical of both Lockheed and Boeing and appears to be comfortable pitting the two aerospace giants against each other.

Dennis Muilenburg, the CEO of Boeing, said in January that he has spoken to Trump about the Air Force One program and “discussed fighter aircraft.”

The U.S. Air Force plans to buy 1,763 of the F-35A model jets, Bloomberg reported. The report said that there is likely not much Boeing could do to compete with the fifth-generation F-35, which is equipped with a more advanced radar system.

The Dallas Morning News reported that Lockheed cut about $600 million from the F-35 program. The planes used to cost $102 million each, now they are under $100 million.

The F-35 program made up 20 percent of Lockheed's total 2015 revenue of $46.1 billion. And U.S. government orders made up 78 percent of its revenue last year. The F-35 program directly or indirectly supports more than 146,000 U.S. jobs, according to the company's website. Lockheed assembles the F-35s in Fort Worth, Texas.

In December, Trump tweeted Thursday that based on the “tremendous” cost overruns of Lockheed Martin’s F-35 program, he had asked the aerospace giant's competitor, Boeing, to "price-out a comparable F-18 Super Hornet."
Posted by:Steve White

#6  Competition is good. Make those LockMartin bastards sweat. Boeing is no better, but letting them fight for the business, will give the sailor and aviator options that they would not have if we sole source the future to the F-35.

Even if we never buy another F-18 we will have mixed fleets of aircraft for a long time. Buying a few more F-18s would just extend that time, and give us, the people, leverage on the contractors.

Posted by: rammer   2017-02-18 22:56  

#5  To expand, China has stolen and also developed stealth, advanced radar and comms capabilities. Without what the F-35 is intended to be, and is a lot of the time, our military is only ready to face 2nd rate opponents. China is rapidly threatening to be more than that and other adversaries will arise as well.

Don't make the mistake of fighting the last war, which was against an incompetant middle eastern junkyard.
Posted by: Hupimp Shomogum1573   2017-02-18 20:20  

#4  Wrong question. The real questions have to do with capabilities against near-peer and rapidly emerging peer adversaries.
Posted by: Hupimp Shomogum1573   2017-02-18 20:16  

#3  "How would the F-35 do against the XT? 15 to 1 kill ratio?"

The other way around is most likely!
Posted by: Seeking cure for ignorance   2017-02-18 19:44  

#2  Yep, and except for the stealth gizmos and gadgets on the Superduper Hornets, the maintenance crews on carriers can repair a Hornet with their eyes closed they are that familiar with the bird...yep and not so much transition training for the jet jockeys...

Makes sense to me.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2017-02-18 18:44  

#1  ...Not entirely sure how this is gonna go - what makes sense is if the USN buy is throttled back and refilled with SuperDuper Hornets. There are actually some benefits there - we get a mature, proven airframe on deck in bigger numbers and a combat-capable airframe a lot sooner. We also get away from the potential horror show of all of Naval Aviation's combat airframes being the same damned airplane. Downside - the cost for the rest of the Killer Turkey program goes up. Interesting times...

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski   2017-02-18 17:17  

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